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[Johnoco]

I'm sure more than one criminal of that era got their weapons and explosives experience from their time doing national service.

I'm sure plenty of crooks have learnt how to steal millions via computers, does this mean computers are wrong?
Some people will abuse any opportunity that comes their way, it's just the way some people are. It doesn't mean that many people weren't put on the straight & narrow by national service. (not that I agree with it anyway)

Edit: just to add that I can't be doing with canonising of criminals either.

Edited by Johnoco, 01 March 2013 - 02:40 PM.

[Futtocks]

Edit: just to add that I can't be doing with canonising of criminals either.

Most people would agree. Apart from the media, when the criminal is a chirpy cockernee character wot never 'urt no-one apart from those people wot 'e 'urt, guv.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

I'm sure plenty of crooks have learnt how to steal millions via computers, does this mean computers are wrong?
Some people will abuse any opportunity that comes their way, it's just the way some people are. It doesn't mean that many people weren't put on the straight & narrow by national service. (not that I agree with it anyway)

Edit: just to add that I can't be doing with canonising of criminals either.

the difference being that sole aim of military weapons and military 'discipline' is that of killing people

but your point is a fair one.

the real issue here IMHO refers to the myt that national service made a better person out o smeone

[l'angelo mysterioso]

Most people would agree. Apart from the media, when the criminal is a chirpy cockernee character wot never 'urt no-one apart from those people wot 'e 'urt, guv.

ver streets woz saf when reggie and ronnie woz abaht: nobody took no liberties

there's an interesting(ish) section in Keith Richards' autobiography about what one of the Krays (I forget which) got up to with young boys in Morocco.

[Johnoco]

the difference being that sole aim of military weapons and military 'discipline' is that of killing people

but your point is a fair one.

the real issue here IMHO refers to the myt that national service made a better person out o smeone

How is it a myth just because one or two people were crooks before and after NS? Many people were given the opportunities to achieve good things in their life because of NS. You can't just dismiss it because of a minority of crooks.

Some people grow up but instead of getting jobs, they burgle houses/become drug dealers/work in the city, does this mean that school and everything is a waste of time because of them? does it make it a myth that working hard at school can help you get on in life?

[l'angelo mysterioso]

How is it a myth just because one or two people were crooks before and after NS? Many people were given the opportunities to achieve good things in their life because of NS. You can't just dismiss it because of a minority of crooks.

Some people grow up but instead of getting jobs, they burgle houses/become drug dealers/work in the city, does this mean that school and everything is a waste of time because of them? does it make it a myth that working hard at school can help you get on in life?

it's as myth because of the res of the people that did it. They went straight back to theirnormal lives, apart from the ones who were killed and maimed in Korea, malaya and Suez.

But fair enough, I'm sure it did some people good

[Wolford6]

The Virgin Soldiers. Great book.

[Martyn Sadler]

Hans Massaquoi, who grew up in Hitler's Germany as a mixed-race child.

I'd never heard of him, but it's a very interesting story.

http://www.telegraph...-Massaquoi.html

[Exiled Townie]

For those of a 'certain age' who can remember black and white telly, Dale Robertson



Jim Hardie, special agent for Wells Fargo.

[Ullman]

The Virgin Soldiers. Great book.

I remember the film.

Eddie Yeats was in it.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

For those of a 'certain age' who can remember black and white telly, Dale Robertson



Jim Hardie, special agent for Wells Fargo.

used to be on berween 6.5 special and the billy cotton band show

the series alternated with laramie

[l'angelo mysterioso]

hugo chavez president of Venezuela

[Bleep1673]

Hugo Chavez

http://www.bbc.co.uk...merica-21679053

I know I will get ripped to bits for this, but I loved his version of democratic socialism.

Edited by Bleep1673, 05 March 2013 - 10:13 PM.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

Hugo Chavez

http://www.bbc.co.uk...merica-21679053

I know I will get ripped to bits for this, but I loved his version of democratic socialism.

it had a lot going for it

[Futtocks]

Apart from the sacking of striking workers, the vigorous suppression of dissent, and the homophobia, he did many positive things, yes.

[Northern Sol]

it had a lot going for it

Correction, it had a lot of oil going for it.

The only reason why his revolution didn't run into the ground was because of Venezuela's vast oil wealth propping all his vanity projects up even then he managed to give away much of the country's wealth to his mate Castro. Expect a collapse in the Cuban economy unless Chavez's successor decides to continue (unlikely).

He also used his oil wealth to back FARC terrorists in Colombia who are tearing the country apart.

Edited by Northern Sol, 06 March 2013 - 10:07 AM.

[Northern Sol]

Hugo Chavez

http://www.bbc.co.uk...merica-21679053

I know I will get ripped to bits for this, but I loved his version of democratic socialism.

Semi-democratic socialism.

He controlled the media and counted the votes and rewrote the constitution. He was a democrat in the sense that Putin is a democrat.

Edited by Northern Sol, 06 March 2013 - 10:03 AM.

[John Drake]

Don't ruin the Obituary thread arguing the toss over Hugo Chavez, please. Start a new thread about him if you want to do that.

Thank you.

[Futtocks]

Ten Years After guitarist Alvin Lee.

[Wolford6]

I saw Ten Years After at the Isle of Wight.