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[PooingDog]

Hope this doesn't jinx us but we're quiet big favourites for today's game.
South Wales are 5/2 (3.5) bet victor
The draw is 25/1 (26) bet victor
Hornets are 4/11 (1.36) sky bet

[mickhornet]

We are behind 16-8 at the moment.

[jananbillingsbarmyarmy]

32 24 down at the minute

[boro hornet]

32 - 30 final score

[glemiln]

A point, but a poor result leaving us 6 points behind the place we need to be at the season's end and having played a game more than most we need to overtake.
Now, we have to hope that the teams above us experience some meltdown and that we start winning at the same time improving our dreadful defence. A very hard road ahead now - let's hope the team can at least give the fans some hope.

[Pedro]

I didn't go so can someone tell me what went wrong? I can't see us getting in the top four now. The three Cumbrian clubs and Donny will take some catching.

[allroughyed]

Seems like Stanky's getting worried
http://menmedia.co.u...dale-hornets-30

[jananbillingsbarmyarmy]

not all and doom and gloom at least you will have one local derby oldham are worse than you

Edited by jananbillingsbarmyarmy, 23 May 2012 - 05:43 PM.

[Anita Bath]

"We need new players or a new coach. I will not make the second decision – that will be up to the directors "

But he is a director and hence has the same right (and responsibility) to debate matters of concern at board meetings. Anyone else concened that he seems to keep deflecting things onto a board of directors of which he is a member?

Didn't he bring (most of) the players to the club?

The new players or new coach thing indicates a level of intransigence - so things cannot change between the two parties? - its black and white?.

He says he went back to using experienced players because it was a long trip. I thought they stayed overnight. I am afraid I am understanding less and less of what he is quoted as having said.

Am I missing something?

[Hornets Nest]

JS seems to be sending some cryptic messages out in recent weeks. Starting after the Donny home game where he seemed to allude to Hornets carrying some shirkers behind the scenes.

If he has something to say about the running of the club he should just come out and say it. It can only benefit us all in the long run.

Perhaps its time that some CV's were looked at to see what has been done to move Hornets forward, hopefully with more on than shoving trolleys around with sausage rolls on.

Something aint working for sure.

Edited by Hornets Nest, 22 May 2012 - 08:33 PM.

[boro hornet]

If you are unhappy with the way things are done, become a member and you can vote for the board of your choice and even stand for election,if the membership likes what you have to say more than existing board members standing you get elected. Simple.

[Anita Bath]

There we go again!

Hopefully we will still make the second tier next season, but if we dont some people will still be saying this.

If people dont like what they see they dont 'become a member' - they stop coming - hence 300 crowds - and spend their money on other things.

[Pugwash]

If you are unhappy with the way things are done, become a member and you can vote for the board of your choice and even stand for election,if the membership likes what you have to say more than existing board members standing you get elected. Simple.

There we go again!

Hopefully we will still make the second tier next season, but if we dont some people will still be saying this.

If people dont like what they see they dont 'become a member' - they stop coming - hence 300 crowds - and spend their money on other things.

The point is you're both right!

Hornets' fans are polarised into two groups, those that care about the club and those that don't appear to care for the reasons AB puts forward.

Never in the past have Hornets' fans had the right to join the board if they had enough support as you needed to be a member of 'The Club' and that was very difficult to join. Now as BH says you can join the club and put yourself forward and if enough members want you then you will be a board member.

However, as AB says, more and more fans are deciding that the product on offer is not what they will support and they have that right to withdraw their support if the so wish.

It remains the chance of the players to get us out of this tawdry league and up into the Championship where more fans may decide that they are willing to support the product on offer.

The ball's in their court!

Pugwash.

[boro hornet]

You are right AB and people have a lot more choice to spend their hard earned money on but only a third of the people who do come to games are members and if only the rest would do so that would put more money into the club.
The club do have to try and get out into the communities of the borough and beyond but with out funding it is a very difficult thing to do.i do fear for the future of the club if we are not promoted.

[Hornets Nest]

You are right AB and people have a lot more choice to spend their hard earned money on but only a third of the people who do come to games are members and if only the rest would do so that would put more money into the club.
The club do have to try and get out into the communities of the borough and beyond but with out funding it is a very difficult thing to do.i do fear for the future of the club if we are not promoted.

Puggy am I right in saying that you don't need loads of support to get on the Board as people have been co-opted on in the past? I suppose it depneds who you are then if this is the case?

[boro hornet]

Puggy am I right in saying that you don't need loads of support to get on the Board as people have been co-opted on in the past? I suppose it depneds who you are then if this is the case?

But one sure way is to stand for election,even if you are co-opted on to the board you still have to become a member,if you have special skills that could help the club HN and approach the club with how you could be off use to them, im sure they would consider what you have to offer.

[Pugwash]

Puggy am I right in saying that you don't need loads of support to get on the Board as people have been co-opted on in the past? I suppose it depneds who you are then if this is the case?

Yes Mark, the board is made up of up to 12 members and to make sure the necessary skills are on the board such as legal and financial it was decided that it would be, if I'm correct split 8 elected and 4 co-opted.

You are wrong in saying it depends on who you are in as much as 8 are elected on a democracy ticket and must be up for re-election at intervals. Therefore if you want to be a member of the board the board cannot stop you, you put up, you plead your case to the members and if you come in the elected places then you are on the board. Just to make sure there's no jiggery pokery the voting is carried out by Supporters Direct so the board have no part in vote counting.

It only costs £20 to be a member and the rights are then yours.

Pugwash.

[Anita Bath]

This infatuation with membership (a form of shareholding but one not based on the amount of shares you buy but whether you buy a membership) is misplaced and probably damaging. According to some of the above posts only a minority of even the current pitifully small attendence are members - indicating that the majority are willing to pay admission (either on the gate or through season ticket purchases) but not interested in paying an additional annual fee to have the right to vote for that part of the board that is elected.

Revenue from increasing attendence is far greater than revenue from increasing membership by the same proportion - its money that comes in on a bi-weekly basis.

Sure, those who choose to become members are the ones who have an indirect role in decision making at the club, and that is how it should be. But they are not the only ones who can have opinions, or even good ideas and even express them. People who pay their money at the gate are just as much supporters as those who choose to become members. So the board may want to listen to the views of supporters (ie customers) even if they are not members. When people complain about the quality of Ford cars, Ford dont respond by saying "buy some shares and come to an AGM and stand for election to the board".


Of course there may be some who are members, even board members, who dont pay at the gate or have season tickets, so not supporters. I am not suggesting their is anything right or wrong about that, just noting this interesting dynamic given the emphashis given to membership relative to supporters.

At the end of the day the 'ownership' will be judged on results as with any other form of organisation - but I suspect if things dont improve there may not be too much looking in the mirror, but back to blaming non-members/supporters/the town/the council/the government/Keith Hill etc etc.

[Hornets Nest]

Andy will there have to be some sort of cut of point where someone will have to be counted by standing up and simply saying that the Hornets model is simply not working?

I once got slated (I think by you apologies if not) that you can have as many tag teams, touch teams, community officers, pointless gimmicks as you want but the ordinary Rugby League fan in the pub could not give a monkeys tail about all that.

As was proved to me last Sunday night the man in the Brickcroft, Star Inn, Cronky Club is interested in one thing which is Sunday's first team result. They are only really bothered about first team results the rest of the stuff is a mere side show to them.

Do your homework, commission a survey and I will be proved right. Loads will disagree because of who I am rather than what I'm saying but take a look at the recent attendances and it proved the point.

At a club like Hornets all efforts need to be directed to the first team, Old Club, New Club that has always been my view and will never change.

[Pugwash]

This infatuation with membership (a form of shareholding but one not based on the amount of shares you buy but whether you buy a membership) is misplaced and probably damaging. According to some of the above posts only a minority of even the current pitifully small attendence are members - indicating that the majority are willing to pay admission (either on the gate or through season ticket purchases) but not interested in paying an additional annual fee to have the right to vote for that part of the board that is elected.

Revenue from increasing attendence is far greater than revenue from increasing membership by the same proportion - its money that comes in on a bi-weekly basis.

Sure, those who choose to become members are the ones who have an indirect role in decision making at the club, and that is how it should be. But they are not the only ones who can have opinions, or even good ideas and even express them. People who pay their money at the gate are just as much supporters as those who choose to become members. So the board may want to listen to the views of supporters (ie customers) even if they are not members. When people complain about the quality of Ford cars, Ford dont respond by saying "buy some shares and come to an AGM and stand for election to the board".


Of course there may be some who are members, even board members, who dont pay at the gate or have season tickets, so not supporters. I am not suggesting their is anything right or wrong about that, just noting this interesting dynamic given the emphashis given to membership relative to supporters.

At the end of the day the 'ownership' will be judged on results as with any other form of organisation - but I suspect if things dont improve there may not be too much looking in the mirror, but back to blaming non-members/supporters/the town/the council/the government/Keith Hill etc etc.

I am aware that directors all purchase Season Tickets and also pay money to Hornets for theirDirector's passes at away games. Anyone who has an idea will be welcomed at the club and will not need to be a member to have it looked at.

Andy will there have to be some sort of cut of point where someone will have to be counted by standing up and simply saying that the Hornets model is simply not working?

I once got slated (I think by you apologies if not) that you can have as many tag teams, touch teams, community officers, pointless gimmicks as you want but the ordinary Rugby League fan in the pub could not give a monkeys tail about all that.

As was proved to me last Sunday night the man in the Brickcroft, Star Inn, Cronky Club is interested in one thing which is Sunday's first team result. They are only really bothered about first team results the rest of the stuff is a mere side show to them.

Do your homework, commission a survey and I will be proved right. Loads will disagree because of who I am rather than what I'm saying but take a look at the recent attendances and it proved the point.

At a club like Hornets all efforts need to be directed to the first team, Old Club, New Club that has always been my view and will never change.

Of course they are interested in the results, I am, but the other stuff is what goes on in addition to the first team games. The U23s, the Swarm and the forthcoming cricket match are all ideas to fund raise or increase the club's attraction.

You do not have to be a member at Hornets, everyone is valued just make yourself heard!

Pugwash.