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[Pugwash]

Watching the Hull F.C. v Hull K.R. game and the penultimate try was at least 2 yds forward. It was so far forward that a blind man galloping past on a donkey could have seen it!!!

Nevertheless, it was an interesting game and how F.C. could let it slip is a question for training next week I suppose.

Pugwash.

[ornit4ever]

You can add Thierry Alibert to the missed forward pass list, the pass from Brent Webb to Danny McGuire was yet another 'mile forward' pass and the ref even had the 20metre line marking as a guide. But all these forward passes level themselves out over the seasom I guess.

[DiddyDave]

The leveling out is not the point Cameron. Nothing is worse in the game that forward passes,blatant ones,being missed by the refs and linesmen,especially when they result in crucial tries being scored. Why the video ref cannot be consulted over this,or cannot have an input,is baffling as it is a major part of our game. Most of the time it`s the linos who have the best view as obviously they`re looking directly across the park,but they invariably can`t see blatant ones,often even having a white line to measure them by. But then again,in their effort to get decisions "right",half the time the man upstairs is now looking for other "could bes" or "maybes" and they make unbelievable cock ups,a la last week`s Greg Inglis try in State of Origin I.

[Mad Mal the Mauler]

Got to agree there Dave, Gridiron Football in the US have been using that technology for many years by imposing a line across the field from touchline to touchline and running it up and down the 'tramlines showing the 'line of scrimmage'. The same could be adopted for the forward pass without any problem! The simple thing is, if the ball leaves the hands backwards it's legal, if not.......it's not!

[PooingDog]

Problem would be with a flat pass that still travels forward. Ten people could watch the video ten times and still get twenty opinions.

[distantdog]

Problem would be with a flat pass that still travels forward. Ten people could watch the video ten times and still get twenty opinions.

Surely if it travels forward its a forward pass. I get frustrated by this momentum thing. To me, if a player catches the ball in front of where the ball has left the hands of the passer, then it's a forward pass.

[Pugwash]

Surely if it travels forward its a forward pass. I get frustrated by this momentum thing. To me, if a player catches the ball in front of where the ball has left the hands of the passer, then it's a forward pass.

If you take the instance of travelling in a car DD and you drop a ball from the window, the ball will travel forwards and not just bounce straight up. This is due to the momentum in the model. Likewise if a man is running forwards at say 7 metres per second and he passes the ball to a man who is exactly level with him and running at the same speed the ball should travel straight to the second man unless the ball is acted upon by any other forces i.e. wind. It is easily worked out on paper by doing a parallelogram of forces diagram.

I know this sounds complicated but believe me that is the maths governing the problem.

For me the problems really started when the RFL decided to change the ruling on a forward pass making a level pass a legal pass. Up to then a level pass would be forward and some were inevitably got away with. Now level passes are OK forward passes are being got away with and with the pace of the game increaing all the time the touch judges are missing forward passes in ever increasing numbers.

I don't know what the ansswer is because I doubt you could sort it out with the video facility as you need a large number of cameras to get in line all along the pitch. Going back to level passes being forward is one possibility but then we'd have to ask the Australians and if they don't fancy it we are stuffed!

Pugwash.

[StarfireHypervixen]

Have to agree with distant, if it aint backward, it aint legit, the flat pass, like the benefit of the doubt try, is a farcical invention.

There is a reson they're called "The Laws of the Game"

[boro hornet]

Let the refs get on with refereeing the game if he or she is not up to it then demote them.the problem seems to be they rely on technology to much when its not there they struggle to cope with the decision making. Let them work as a team with their touch judges.

I am not referee bashing as i would not do their job for any amount of money they can never win.

[DiddyDave]

The ruling over here in Oz is;if the ball is "passed" backwards,but "floats" forwards,then its NOT a forward pass!! Eh?

[ornit4ever]

The ruling over here in Oz is;if the ball is "passed" backwards,but "floats" forwards,then its NOT a forward pass!! Eh?

Sorry to disappoint you my friend but that rule has always been 'A law', a pass can be blown forward or bobbles forward and its still not a forward pass