Greetings Roughyeds....
How do we get out of this mess??......... the silence is deafening.
C'mon guys we're on the brink of catastrophe.
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, mai 27 2012 11:36
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 11:36
Any similarity to Queens English is purely coincidental.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 12:40
The fans have no power to get the club out of this mess because not one of us knows the full extent or the details of how much a mess there is...
and even if we knew the extent of the mess,(And there is one I think) One gets the impression quite clearly that it is none of our business anyway, put up and shut up!
So you can either carry on the way things are, don the rose coloured sunglasses, (which is ok if that works for you). and supress the anxiety that its a centrally funded butty whether you are there or not.
Or raise questions and concerns and opinions on this forum, realising that even that is futile if the only person in a position to do anything about anything keeps a tight lid on things by default.
There are a number of people who are getting fed up with the way things are though.
and even if we knew the extent of the mess,(And there is one I think) One gets the impression quite clearly that it is none of our business anyway, put up and shut up!
So you can either carry on the way things are, don the rose coloured sunglasses, (which is ok if that works for you). and supress the anxiety that its a centrally funded butty whether you are there or not.
Or raise questions and concerns and opinions on this forum, realising that even that is futile if the only person in a position to do anything about anything keeps a tight lid on things by default.
There are a number of people who are getting fed up with the way things are though.
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Posté 27 mai 2012 - 11:32
A new benefator, a new stadium, new coach.....but how do you get to that ?
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Posté 28 mai 2012 - 08:57
Greetings Roughyeds....
Would you care to enlighten us D1029
Would you care to enlighten us D1029
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Posté 29 mai 2012 - 06:27
Even if there were anyone at all interested at all ...............CH will not talk to anyone will he as we have seen in the last 13 years 
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Posté 29 mai 2012 - 08:56
Apart from BQ...Even if there were anyone at all interested at all ...............CH will not talk to anyone will he as we have seen in the last 13 years
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 05:34
People who will put money into rugby or any other sport are few and far between. If a club finnd such a benefactor the sensible thing is to make sure you keep them on side.Oldham Rugby had such a benefactor in BQ who probably put more money into the club than anyone before him.
After putting money into the club he wanted to see the books. But alas like other previous directors before him CH did not produce them even though BQ was the chairman and major shareholder at the time.So he eventually resigned and the club lost its benefactor.However, BQ got the blame for things going wrong.
Shareholders are entitled to see the books and along with all directors normally do.
But this does not seem to be the case at Oldham Rugby. How therfore can the club expect sponsors and investors to come and help.
The club has recently had bad publicity about being in court for not paying its dues to the council yet there as been no comment from the club about this article in the chron at all.
As the first post said the silence is deafening, but then again has that not been the case many times over.
After putting money into the club he wanted to see the books. But alas like other previous directors before him CH did not produce them even though BQ was the chairman and major shareholder at the time.So he eventually resigned and the club lost its benefactor.However, BQ got the blame for things going wrong.
Shareholders are entitled to see the books and along with all directors normally do.
But this does not seem to be the case at Oldham Rugby. How therfore can the club expect sponsors and investors to come and help.
The club has recently had bad publicity about being in court for not paying its dues to the council yet there as been no comment from the club about this article in the chron at all.
As the first post said the silence is deafening, but then again has that not been the case many times over.
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Posté 01 juin 2012 - 09:41
After putting money into the club he wanted to see the books. But alas like other previous directors before him CH did not produce them even though BQ was the chairman and major shareholder at the time.So he eventually resigned and the club lost its benefactor.However, BQ got the blame for things going wrong.
I seem to remember that CH got most of the blame (and still does).
I have to say I still can't understand how the chairman and owner couldn't see the books. Or bring in his own accountant? Or sack the employee who was blocking him?
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 06:41
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How many of the previous directors apart from CH have seen the books since 1997. I was told none. Even though previous directors asked to see them they were never produced.
Why is the unanswered question.
How many of the previous directors apart from CH have seen the books since 1997. I was told none. Even though previous directors asked to see them they were never produced.
Why is the unanswered question.
Ce message a été modifié par HARRYRUBY - 07 juin 2012 - 06:42 .
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 07:09
I'm a bit puzzled by your question here Harry. What previous directors are we talking about ? the three of the original four? If thats the case, they bailed out early doors, so why would they need to see the books. Can you enlighten me as to who you mean, when and why?
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Posté 07 juin 2012 - 10:17
BQ wasn't just a director. He was the owner and chairman. If my employees refused me access to documents or the books, I wouldn't of walked away, I'd of been issuing a P45.Bedford Roughyhead
How many of the previous directors apart from CH have seen the books since 1997. I was told none. Even though previous directors asked to see them they were never produced.
Why is the unanswered question.
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!
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Posté 08 juin 2012 - 08:19
The obvious question is why didn't he then?BQ wasn't just a director. He was the owner and chairman. If my employees refused me access to documents or the books, I wouldn't of walked away, I'd of been issuing a P45.
And why did he "accidentally" resign as Director.
I always advocated that if BQ and CH had found a way to work together it would have been formidable. But BQ's record was pretty lamentable.
I'd say no one else saw the books because they did not ask or did not have sufficient funds. CH has shown if someone has the money. It is unfortunate, and although perhaps a little understandable, that CH will be much more wary this time. I hope that he has not slammed the door shut too eagerly, he and the club clearly needs extra investment and help with the stadium.
That said if someone as tenacious enough they will get to see them.
Just asking once is hardly prooving that you are commited is it.
Ce message a été modifié par SINGE - 08 juin 2012 - 08:20 .
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 05:50
There have been five directors of ORLFC since its formation. Two of the original are still with the club.The other three as allroughyed has said left. . As I said I was told that no one apart from CH had seen the books. I was told that over twelve months ago. Its now possible that the present director in addition to CH as now seen the books, I dont know.
Two of the original four who left never saw the books as one of them told me despite asking to see them. BQ asked to see them but they were never produced according to what I was told.
The original directors all had equal shareholding and at least two of them asked to see the books.
BQ was the chairman and major shareholder not the entire owner of the club there where/ are other shareholders involved.
BQ resigned as a director then as chairman. I was told he also never saw the books despite asking to see them.
As for issuing a P45 however, a major shareholder cannot just issue a P45 to another director it can only be done at a AGM or an extraordinary AGM but BQ never called for one. There as to be a proposal duly seconded and voted upon to do that.
Why, I dont know only he can answer that. He decided to sell his shares and move on.
As for BQ's record being lamentable i find that a bit puzzling. How you can say that after the money he put into the club. Just what did he do wrong?.
BQ enjoyed watching Oldham Rugby as did his family and we lost someone, for whatever reason, who was prepared to put money into the club.
Will we ever be lucky enough to find such a benefactor again.
Two of the original four who left never saw the books as one of them told me despite asking to see them. BQ asked to see them but they were never produced according to what I was told.
The original directors all had equal shareholding and at least two of them asked to see the books.
BQ was the chairman and major shareholder not the entire owner of the club there where/ are other shareholders involved.
BQ resigned as a director then as chairman. I was told he also never saw the books despite asking to see them.
As for issuing a P45 however, a major shareholder cannot just issue a P45 to another director it can only be done at a AGM or an extraordinary AGM but BQ never called for one. There as to be a proposal duly seconded and voted upon to do that.
Why, I dont know only he can answer that. He decided to sell his shares and move on.
As for BQ's record being lamentable i find that a bit puzzling. How you can say that after the money he put into the club. Just what did he do wrong?.
BQ enjoyed watching Oldham Rugby as did his family and we lost someone, for whatever reason, who was prepared to put money into the club.
Will we ever be lucky enough to find such a benefactor again.
Ce message a été modifié par HARRYRUBY - 10 juin 2012 - 05:52 .
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 06:10
If all the original shareholders were equal, why did they have to ask to see the books? Did CH hide them?
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 07:45
guys you all need to stop squabbling and concentrate on backing your team...whether you agree with the boardroom problems or not.
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Posté 10 juin 2012 - 07:59
Agree totally Morty. Trouble is, too many people think they are entitled to a view of the club when they don't even bother turning up for games.
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Posté 11 juin 2012 - 10:25
Spot on Morty . You could write a soap opera about the various factions linked with this club . They all have their own personal gripes about Chris Hamilton , Tony Benson , Whitebank , standard of play etc but the one thing they have in common is they are mostly stayaways . Why they can't just be content to enjoy the rugby and support their hometown club is beyond me .You never know if they came back it could just give the club the boost it needs on and off the park and might make the changes they crave more likely as a vibrant , successful club is surely more likely to be attractive to potential investors ...cue return of the glory years ...regrettably I doubt it .
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Posté 11 juin 2012 - 04:15
Surely listening to the opinions of those who CHOOSE not to come and watch would actually be quite beneficial?
People AREN'T content to come pay and watch the rugby and maybe the club should be addressing why.
People AREN'T content to come pay and watch the rugby and maybe the club should be addressing why.
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Posté 11 juin 2012 - 06:05
How can you give a proper and perspective opinion when you don't go. The criticism being directed at tony Benson by these people is unfair and inaccurate. If you don't pay your money, your'e not entitled to criticize. Non paying supporters do not benefit the club.
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