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[greengrass]

Glad we got the win today and relieve because I thought we did not deserve to win today and if we had played a top 4 side we would have been ripped apart.

I can not work this Swinton side out with our performance's, we are so up and down it is unreal, we play the lower sides we don't turn up we play the top sides and we put a decent performance in.

The thing that really worried me today was how we did not gel as a side and this was the same last week, this is really worrying considering how well we was coming together at the beginning of the season.

[duffymoon]

It was noticeable there were one or two positional changes today and it showed.Definitely not at our best but a win is a win.The turning point for me was when Hunslet took the easy two points when awarded a penalty on our line.Our defence had been poor all day and a try for Hunslet at that stage when they were two points up would probably have killed us off.Morts kicking was excellent and I have no doubt we would have won at York had he been in the side.Having said that I think Ritchie Hawkyard poses a more potent attacking threat.As we saw today maybe both can be accommodated with Ritchie coming off the bench to replace Smithy at hooker.We will need to improve massively next week to trouble Sheffiels but we have seen already this season that this team can rise to the occasion.

[mark richardson]

It was noticeable there were one or two positional changes today and it showed.Definitely not at our best but a win is a win.The turning point for me was when Hunslet took the easy two points when awarded a penalty on our line.Our defence had been poor all day and a try for Hunslet at that stage when they were two points up would probably have killed us off.Morts kicking was excellent and I have no doubt we would have won at York had he been in the side.Having said that I think Ritchie Hawkyard poses a more potent attacking threat.As we saw today maybe both can be accommodated with Ritchie coming off the bench to replace Smithy at hooker.We will need to improve massively next week to trouble Sheffiels but we have seen already this season that this team can rise to the occasion.

Yes I said exactly that when they took that penalty. I thought they made a huge mistake there.
It was a disjointed performance and our defence and ball control at times were very poor.
There were some positives. Adam Walker had a huge game and Higsons run and Dodds run were worth the admission fees.
I agree Morts kicking was superb,but this isnt rugby union and other than his kicking Id find it hard to justify his man of the match award.
Otherwise i did really enjoy the game,it could have gone either way. The Hunslet fans were noisy,amusing and added to the atmosphere.
Finally,Scott Ranson looks EXACTLY the same..hes not aged at all! Whats your secret Esther?

[RIGGY]

And Keighley slipped up at home to Batley but did manage a bonus point. Next week is another massive game.

[greengrass]

IMO I would play Smithy at 13 with his hands and experience and play Hawkyard at 9 interchanging with Ashall and Mort at fullback, with mort's kicking we need him on the pitch. At this level every point counts, I know a win is a win but we are better than we have performed for last 2 weeks.

If I was in management I would start Higson contract now for next season he is the best centre outside super league.

[duffymoon]

Missing Phil Hs post match analysis

[Furryenzo]

Agreed with most of the points about the performance. Generally poor, but the 3 points (and stopping a bonus point) is all that matters at the end of the day. Think we missed Darren Hawkyards tackling in a big way! Well done to David Mills, who played excellently when he was on, for a change, (barring his one slip up not playing the ball properly). I think another big turning point of the game was when their number 13 got absolutely ruined in a tackle by Higson. He was punching holes in us like it was going out of fashion.

I wouldnt play Smith at 13, purely because I think Chaz I'anson is one of our most under-rated players. For a guy playing out of position week-in, week out, he runs the ball in hard, offers an extra pivot in attack and tackles like a beast (dropped a few of their guys single handedly). With regards to Mort, I think he made one or two glaring errors, probably due to lack of match practice at full-back. However I think he made up for it with his unbelievable kicking game. I really dont envy steve Mc having to find a place for him in the 13. Dodd finished his tries brilliantly, Kev penny is only ever a good pass away from scoring, and R. Hawkyard is the new Wayne English at full back. But we quite simply need Mort's kicking with the games being as tight as they are i.e York last week.

Credit where credit is due, iv said all along that Hunslet are by far the worst side in our division, but today they looked to have improved a fair bit. Luckily not quite enough to beat us. I think if I was them id get rid of March straight away.

[marshy1]

Missing Phil Hs post match analysis

I have been thinking the same. Perhaps he feels it was the complete performance or maybe he just couldn't make the game this week.

[juliancaine]

ditto where are you phil with your expert post match analysis

[duffymoon]

Even if he hadn't made the game Al I'm sure he would have commented on the result.

[greengrass]

yeah I agree about his tackling he does tackle well above his weight, rugby is a different sport now and you need your 13 to attack the line aswell as defend it and with Smithy I think this would happen especially if he had Penny alongside him when taking it in. For me I'Anson just does not seem to break the line or stand out, when chatting in the bar after the game I never mention his name for being outstanding maybe me just being to hard on the lad.

Just something different I have been thinking about with Smith sometimes we all think we can be the best coach in the world sat in our living room ha ha, like you said we need Mort in our side for his kicking but Hawkyard is class, also Mort did nothing wrong there last year just Hawkyard as been class since he as come into the side.

I think Mort is a very good player at this level on sunday he was not match fit this comes back to a earlier topic we have spoke about in the past Academy side, if we are to compete and become a established side at this level we need some backup for these players who are not playing. Its not fair the coach expecting these guys who don't play for 4,5 6 weeks and to come in and play like they have been playing every week, something needs to be sorted.

Just another thing would someone like Hawkyard be happy being a impact player by swapping with Smithy I don' t think he would, also playing in this league now means our players are going to be seen by bigger clubs first hand. Unhappy players will leave.

Edited by greengrass, 26 June 2012 - 06:06 PM.

[bigtony]

Im not scare-mongering but i kno of a couple of players who are fed up with rl at the moment, 1 of which if he played next wk will be his first game in 8 wks which is like an off season the other player as prob played 30 min in 10/12 wks, its way to long between games, i can see 1 of them walking away from the sport after this season. Its not what rl or swinton need

[marshy1]

That's the problem with not having an A-team.

[bigtony]

Or scrap dr and develope your own players

[greengrass]

I agree with you Bigtony but as we all know sports is a result driven business, clubs feel like they have to bring these players in to acheive there goals. Don't get me wrong I am all for the kids coming in and developing your own players.

If you put the question to fans "what would you rather have at the end of the season 1) win the league with 7 DR players 2) finish in bottom half of the table but have 13 kids and no DR players. Honestly how many fans would say point 2. These are all the decisions what clubs (well the money men within the club) think when sorting there squads out for the up coming season.

Goes back to what Alan and I have said in previous topics for us as a club to establish ourselves with Halifax, Batley, Featherstone's there must be 2 main points that need to be sorted and asap:

1) Agecroft - Main Priority
2) Some sort of second team to support the fringe players.

If we don't get the above sorted and fast then I can't really see what direction the club could in.

[mark richardson]

I agree with you Bigtony but as we all know sports is a result driven business, clubs feel like they have to bring these players in to acheive there goals. Don't get me wrong I am all for the kids coming in and developing your own players.

If you put the question to fans "what would you rather have at the end of the season 1) win the league with 7 DR players 2) finish in bottom half of the table but have 13 kids and no DR players. Honestly how many fans would say point 2. These are all the decisions what clubs (well the money men within the club) think when sorting there squads out for the up coming season.

Goes back to what Alan and I have said in previous topics for us as a club to establish ourselves with Halifax, Batley, Featherstone's there must be 2 main points that need to be sorted and asap:

1) Agecroft - Main Priority
2) Some sort of second team to support the fringe players.

If we don't get the above sorted and fast then I can't really see what direction the club could in.

The club is without doubt moving forward on the field. We have had a champion winning season and a much better season than I certainly expected.
I don't know how I feel about the dual reg players and you pose a very relevant question there.
Our coach attracts good players and super league coaches seem willing to lend us good lads.
We do benefit on field because of this.
As for lads leaving the game thats really sad but it is the nature of sport.
A real conundrum but one saving grace is it affects every club not just us so to some extent does create some equality.
A reserve team would be a real step forward.

[duffymoon]

As well as getting Agecroft up and running at the same time a carefully co-ordinated community development programme is needed to boost the profile of the club.There is a nationally recognised brand name about to launch a development in our town and they are keen to win over the locals.We should be getting into bed with them to see how we can help each other!

[bigtony]

Your rite it is a sad nature of the game, but i thinklads just want a level playing field, how can a semi-pro player whos prob doin a full time job 40/50/60 hrs a wk with about 3 hrs trainin a wk compete with a f/t player who as al the benefits of a sl club behind them, its unfair

[mark richardson]

Your rite it is a sad nature of the game, but i thinklads just want a level playing field, how can a semi-pro player whos prob doin a full time job 40/50/60 hrs a wk with about 3 hrs trainin a wk compete with a f/t player who as al the benefits of a sl club behind them, its unfair

They can't. Our loan players have been a real success in my opinion and results are paramount. We can't raise the profile of the club by losing every week. I am not saying it's right or fair.

[bigtony]

They can't. Our loan players have been a real success in my opinion and results are paramount. We can't raise the profile of the club by losing every week. I am not saying it's right or fair.

But whos saying results would have been any better or worse without dr/loan players and is this not rl's way of gettin a feeder club system off the ground ??