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[John North]

Guilfoyle stated that
"The extension on the deadline is dependent on the Rugby Football League agreeing to pay the players' wages for the month this week.the club do not have enough money in the bank to foot the bill themselves.
After the London game on Sunday we now have £40,000 in the bank, which is a long way short of the £200,000 that we need," he continued.
"However, the RFL have said today that they will cover the wages which are due to be paid on Thursday."
Despite the positive news about a potential buyer for the four-time Super League winners, Guilfoyle warned that the deal would be dependent on the RFL and the 13 other Super League clubs consenting to allow the club to remain in the top division and permitting the new owners to buy back their ground.
"For the deal to go through we need the RFL to agree to us remaining in the top division and buying the ground back from them.
"We need the other clubs to agree that Super League is a poorer place without us."

So not only are they milking the RFL for player wages (something i understood was explicitly stated could not happen) but they also want to put any failure of the club to secure a new owner firmly on the shoulders of the Rugby League community.

The Guy is a T*t

[blackhawk]

Guilfoyle stated that
"The extension on the deadline is dependent on the Rugby Football League agreeing to pay the players' wages for the month this week.the club do not have enough money in the bank to foot the bill themselves.
After the London game on Sunday we now have £40,000 in the bank, which is a long way short of the £200,000 that we need," he continued.
"However, the RFL have said today that they will cover the wages which are due to be paid on Thursday."
Despite the positive news about a potential buyer for the four-time Super League winners, Guilfoyle warned that the deal would be dependent on the RFL and the 13 other Super League clubs consenting to allow the club to remain in the top division and permitting the new owners to buy back their ground.
"For the deal to go through we need the RFL to agree to us remaining in the top division and buying the ground back from them.
"We need the other clubs to agree that Super League is a poorer place without us."

So not only are they milking the RFL for player wages (something i understood was explicitly stated could not happen) but they also want to put any failure of the club to secure a new owner firmly on the shoulders of the Rugby League community.

The Guy is a T*t

it has also been stated that the group of people ie,the consortium of asian business men are demanding the same before they buy into the bulls,just like people to stop and think ,what messrs caisley and co did to the championship clubs,and now we have this situation,they have gone into administration now and if the rfl and these business people dont get what they want the bulls will be no more ,had they been more transparent with thier dealing of the mess they were really in then people would have had more sympathy with the dlub ,they werent and have shot themselves in the foot my opinion they should be dropped down to the championship and let a clear signal be sent out to every super league club ,you made the mess now you clear it up,simple as that , if this was a champion ship club would they get any help from the RFL no of course they wouldnt,super league franchises will now be called into question but this will be dealt with by moving the goal posts AGAIN

[Ackroman]

I posted on this topic on the main forum. Regardless of critiera the Bulls will remain in SL through arrogance and blackmail.

It soon got locked.

[Gary Coyle]

I think Super League needs a club the size of Bradford (note, i didnt say bradford bulls) but i also think they need to scrap the licensing system which will make it a vastly more competitive league with something to play for right until the last game of the season.

[EQUALIZER]

Trouble is that Bradfords not the only club thats suffering.After Crusaders crashed people always believed more clubs were wobbling.This could be the start of a tricky period for our S.L masters.

[Blind side johnny]

Guilfoyle stated that
"The extension on the deadline is dependent on the Rugby Football League agreeing to pay the players' wages for the month this week.the club do not have enough money in the bank to foot the bill themselves.
After the London game on Sunday we now have £40,000 in the bank, which is a long way short of the £200,000 that we need," he continued.
"However, the RFL have said today that they will cover the wages which are due to be paid on Thursday."
Despite the positive news about a potential buyer for the four-time Super League winners, Guilfoyle warned that the deal would be dependent on the RFL and the 13 other Super League clubs consenting to allow the club to remain in the top division and permitting the new owners to buy back their ground.
"For the deal to go through we need the RFL to agree to us remaining in the top division and buying the ground back from them.
"We need the other clubs to agree that Super League is a poorer place without us."

So not only are they milking the RFL for player wages (something i understood was explicitly stated could not happen) but they also want to put any failure of the club to secure a new owner firmly on the shoulders of the Rugby League community.

The Guy is a T*t

Actually he's an administrator and simply doing what he's paid for. He has no connection with the sport of RL and is attempting to get the best outcome for the creditors, simple as that.

He isn't holding the RFL to ransom either, simply stating facts; without the £200k the business is totally insolvent and cannot continue trading, i.e. it would have to be liquidated.

The potential buyers are, however, holding RL to ransom in my view. the question should be: why do they want to buy the business? They have no loyalty to RL as a whole so they must see a commercial opportunity. I don't believe that the RFL can agree with their demands without suffering a strong backlash, and possible legal action, from at least one other club.

(I can't believe that if P&R still existed the financial situation of Bradford, or anyone else, would be stronger; quite possibly the complete opposite.)

[Ackroman]

I think the chances of rugby being played at Odsal if this lot buy the Bulls will be nil.

[grumpyoldram]

it has also been stated that the group of people ie,the consortium of asian business men are demanding the same before they buy into the bulls,just like people to stop and think ,what messrs caisley and co did to the championship clubs,and now we have this situation,they have gone into administration now and if the rfl and these business people dont get what they want the bulls will be no more ,had they been more transparent with thier dealing of the mess they were really in then people would have had more sympathy with the dlub ,they werent and have shot themselves in the foot my opinion they should be dropped down to the championship and let a clear signal be sent out to every super league club ,you made the mess now you clear it up,simple as that , if this was a champion ship club would they get any help from the RFL no of course they wouldnt,super league franchises will now be called into question but this will be dealt with by moving the goal posts AGAIN

consortium of asian business men

Owners of a well known Indian restaurant chain I believe - who will be their first signing ? Well Mick Naanyn for starters.

[blackhawk]

consortium of asian business men

Owners of a well known Indian restaurant chain I believe - who will be their first signing ? Well Mick Naanyn for starters.

there is a consortium

[BatleyFanAndy]

Guilfoyle stated that
"The extension on the deadline is dependent on the Rugby Football League agreeing to pay the players' wages for the month this week.the club do not have enough money in the bank to foot the bill themselves.
After the London game on Sunday we now have £40,000 in the bank, which is a long way short of the £200,000 that we need," he continued.
"However, the RFL have said today that they will cover the wages which are due to be paid on Thursday."
Despite the positive news about a potential buyer for the four-time Super League winners, Guilfoyle warned that the deal would be dependent on the RFL and the 13 other Super League clubs consenting to allow the club to remain in the top division and permitting the new owners to buy back their ground.
"For the deal to go through we need the RFL to agree to us remaining in the top division and buying the ground back from them.
"We need the other clubs to agree that Super League is a poorer place without us."

So not only are they milking the RFL for player wages (something i understood was explicitly stated could not happen) but they also want to put any failure of the club to secure a new owner firmly on the shoulders of the Rugby League community.

The Guy is a T*t

If you read what you have wrote, it sounds like it's the consortium that's holding the RFL to ransom. Guilfoyle (as an administrator) as to work on behalf of the creditors, not the business in trouble so it actually sounds like he is trying to get the money in for those instead of letting it go into liquidation.

[coolie]

Ive heard shammi lloyd is going to be the kicking coach & sam osa at halfback from keighley

[grumpyoldram]

Ive heard shammi lloyd is going to be the kicking coach & sam osa at halfback from keighley

With players like that, the halal bulls should vinalot next year - Rogan josh tonks might be interested too.

[Blind side johnny]

With players like that, the halal bulls should vinalot next year - Rogan josh tonks might be interested too.

Aye but they'll still need a good goalkicker to poppadum over.


(It gets worse!!)

[funkmaster flex]

I think Super League needs a club the size of Bradford (note, i didnt say bradford bulls) but i also think they need to scrap the licensing system which will make it a vastly more competitive league with something to play for right until the last game of the season.

The licensing system is pants.

What we need is a closed, elite league and then a secondary league whereby teams can be promoted or relegated.

But in addition we need the elite teams to second a team as a feeder team, almost as thought the second team is like the academy or feeder team.

[muddyfunster]

The licensing system is pants.

What we need is a closed, elite league and then a secondary league whereby teams can be promoted or relegated.

But in addition we need the elite teams to second a team as a feeder team, almost as thought the second team is like the academy or feeder team.

I think this is how it works or did work down under? Point me in the right direction anyone.

[grumpyoldram]

The licensing system is pants.

What we need is a closed, elite league and then a secondary league whereby teams can be promoted or relegated.

But in addition we need the elite teams to second a team as a feeder team, almost as thought the second team is like the academy or feeder team.

That would take a huge shift in attitude though, I get the impression that most fans don't want their team to be regarded as a feeder team - although we do seem to have a special relationship with fev Can you imagine, though, the hawks fans reaction to becoming a feeder team for the rhinos, or leigh fans if they became wigans feeder team. What I would like to see, is for SL teams to be limited to enough players to run a first team and a reserve team, plus a few to provide cover - say 45 - 50 players. The academies would be closed and hot prospects allowed to be affiliated to a SL club while playing for championship or amateur sides. This would cut costs for the SL and concentrate quality, while allowing the kids to cut their teeth playing for their home town or nearby clubs.
Oh - and restrict SL clubs to three southern hemisphere players regardless of whether they are british passport holders or not.

[Blind side johnny]

Oh - and restrict SL clubs to three southern hemisphere players regardless of whether they are british passport holders or not.

That would be a restriction of trade GOR and quite easy to overthrow in the courts. You can't change the law of the land just to suit RL. (Now if it was RU however!!! )

[coolie]

The licensing system is pants.

What we need is a closed, elite league and then a secondary league whereby teams can be promoted or relegated.

But in addition we need the elite teams to second a team as a feeder team, almost as thought the second team is like the academy or feeder team.

dont we have that already
elite league (were your mates get you in & say who dont come in...that sounds elite too me.

secondary league whereby teams can be promoted or relegated.....errrr think its called the championship.

elite teams to second a team as a feeder team....featherstone & the rams

how about this

one league super league with promotion & relegation between the championship,one championship league where there is enough games
to keep supporters & clubs going.

but that would be far too easy & not give the greedy super league clubs they need for their over budget payroll.

[funkmaster flex]

dont we have that already
elite league (were your mates get you in & say who dont come in...that sounds elite too me.

secondary league whereby teams can be promoted or relegated.....errrr think its called the championship.

elite teams to second a team as a feeder team....featherstone & the rams

how about this

one league super league with promotion & relegation between the championship,one championship league where there is enough games
to keep supporters & clubs going.

but that would be far too easy & not give the greedy super league clubs they need for their over budget payroll.

The problem Coolie is something Ive raised on this forum many times and it is fear of change, or stubbornness, usually peddled by the old faithful.

P&R failed. Get over it, it's not coming back so lets move on. The game in this country at our level has been dying on it's feet for many years, if it was as cut and dry as you said the Dewsbury would have been promoted some years back and we'd have a gate of 10k per home game. It didn't happen, it's never going to happen and so you have to make a personal decision to yourself. Would you rather the game died a death with just you and a few others all saving eachother twos on a dodgy roll up and a memory of times gone by. Or do we accept that things will never be like they were and move on, look to new ideas, to what has worked in the NRL who are facing a Billion dollar TV contract, who can pay their players a million dollars a year and more, who rule the international game, who attract sponsorship that comes with six zeros attached.

The only thing P&R does is satisfy a few die hard fans that can see their team get promoted, then get relegated a year later with a coach facing the sack.

Let me give you 2 facts to think about...

1 - P&R did not work
2 - Change needs to happen to sustain the game at all levels

So go kick your dog, throw the remote and slam the back door. The game is dying mate and it's the old faithful that are collecting the hammer for the guy putting in the nails.

[coolie]

Ok lets try this on for size


super league played in summer
championshop in winter
a one divison championship
no promotion or relegation
championship sides have a challenge plate cup played as a curtain raiser at wembley

the idea behing summer/winter rugby is rugby league fans can watch leeds in summer then a local team in winter
this also gives clubs a chance of pairing up with a super league club thus doing away with duel reg players.


some of this is workable i feel