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[ruffyed]

Forced off ??? ..... he wanted to dispose of his shirt so that he could stop posting on here ... was just trying to suggest alternative methods of achieving this as frankly I am sick and tired of reading the negative rubbish written on here about the club so if I have helped him on his way then he should be grateful ...a thank you will not be necessary .

[unsilentmajority]

I've got the same shirt, mine is signed by, afi luliaia I think that's what he was called, Luke goodwin, Francis Maloney, Joe faimilo, and Martin crompton, free to good home

[thecrab]

It's not negative rubbish ruffyed....well in the main it's not ;-)

I can't understand why fans cant see what a farce the club is from shirt sales at the start of the season, alienating fans and sponsors to the worst Oldham team I've ever seen in the worst stadium.

The negativity has been brought on by piiss poor handling of nearly every aspect of the club...which is the reason why CH should go

[ruffyed]

....for the umpteenth time .... to be replaced by who. Until somebody chucks there cap in the ring its CH or nothing and I would rather have a badly run club than no club at all to support as this way at least I can hope things will improve on and off the pitch whereas no club leaves me with just that .... nowt.

[mahdlo]

....for the umpteenth time .... to be replaced by who. Until somebody chucks there cap in the ring its CH or nothing and I would rather have a badly run club than no club at all to support as this way at least I can hope things will improve on and off the pitch whereas no club leaves me with just that .... nowt.

It's a fair point ruffyed owt is better than nowt.. but sadly the club as lost the faith of a massive percentage of supporters including me and surely CH can see this (is it possible to be that blinkered) and until he at least offers the club publicly to new investors i and i guess sadly most of the other lapsed supporters really dont want to part with hard earned cash to watch this standard of rugby in a run down mess of a stadium. I will occasionally visit the club no matter what but my days of a home and away supporter are gone until things change..

[roughyed49]

Time to getback to Boundary Park

[thecrab]

and for the umpteenth time we'll never know until he puts the club up for sale...there is a life beyond CH if it's allowed to happen

[Keith T]

Just a thought why don't 3 or 4 of the disenchanted fans make a list of all the complaints and then arrange a meeting with CH to let him know the true feelings and why so many are disenchanted. If all he hears is from his friends then he isn't going to get a true picture and will probably carry on thinking he is doing the right things. If that doesn't make any difference then there is no alternative until he sells out.

[davewd]

sorry keith your 3or 4 is probably 3or 4 hundred plus.the pr at oldham is none existant.

[ruffyed]

and for the umpteenth time we'll never know until he puts the club up for sale...there is a life beyond CH if it's allowed to happen.

Maybe . Maybe not . Call me a skeptic if you like but I prefer to deal with fact rather than fiction . Thats why I no more believe that there are buyers out there just waiting for CH to give the green light than I believe in the Tooth Fairy or Father Xmas but I am prepared to be convinced otherwise if someone can come up with some hard evidence . Until then I will continue to support the club because thats all I can do . The stayaways must do what they see fit . To stop this continual argument can I suggest that the stayaways set up a new web site for EX ROUGHYEDS so that I do not have to keep reading their views.

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[Keith T]

sorry keith your 3or 4 is probably 3or 4 hundred plus.the pr at oldham is none existant.

I appreciate that but I meant 3 or 4 take the initiative and get their feedback from the others for a meeting with CH. If he doesn't read such as this forum, who is telling him what the feelings are?

[oldhamer]

I echo your sentiments to the letter Ruffyed. It has been a disapointing season, granted, but it happens. We have no divine right to conquer and command, and I am sure every single Championship 1 side is hell bent on trying to find a way out of this league as well. Some clubs will do it in a way that will put their existance at risk i.e. overpsending, and some will try and do it within their means, to which Oldham falls with the former. Next season in the Championship will see the clubs that have pushed themselves a little too far. And there will be at least one.

I am sick of hearing the same, unfounded drivel that people keep going about "If CH wasn't in charge XXX amount of fans would return". Is the same number that never attended beacuse Boundary Park wasn't Watersheddings, and the same number that don't attend because we do not play in red and white hoops. The excuses are always there. And if our performance as a club was based on excuses, then we would be World Club Champions.
The way I see it, is that we have a club that has under performed this season, not doubt, and a ground that easily is reasonable enough for the time being. Why invest in £200k + when we are only getting 500 fans in a ground that can easily accomodate that number. If we were getting 1k or near to, then it would put pressure on the club to act more quickly - that's if they can (remember, the club can only control so much of the ground development, the rest is the hands of the council). Therefore, it comes to my final point. You either support the club and the players on the paddock, or you don't.

Some fans are more bothered about the ins and outs of the club than the rugby that is played. If I shopped at Tesco, I couldn't give a flying pig about what their CEO does, or doesn't do, or whether he engages me or not. I pay my money, and I take it for what it is. However, if I didn't like the products on show, then I would shop elsewhere

Edited by oldhamer, 17 July 2012 - 01:51 PM.

[mahdlo]

"Posted Today, 02:32 PM

and for the umpteenth time we'll never know until he puts the club up for sale...there is a life beyond CH if it's allowed to happen.

Maybe . Maybe not . Call me a skeptic if you like but I prefer to deal with fact rather than fiction . Thats why I no more believe that there are buyers out there just waiting for CH to give the green light than I believe in the Tooth Fairy or Father Xmas but I am prepared to be convinced otherwise if someone can come up with some hard evidence . Until then I will continue to support the club because thats all I can do . The stayaways must do what they see fit . To stop this continual argument can I suggest that the stayaways set up a new web site for EX ROUGHYEDS so that I do not have to keep reading their views."



No just stop reading the thread not exactly difficult is it..

Edited by mahdlo, 17 July 2012 - 01:47 PM.

[mahdlo]

I echo your sentiments to the letter Ruffyed. It has been a disapointing season, granted, but it happens. We have no divine right to conquer and command, and I am sure every single Championship 1 side is hell bent on trying to find a way out of this league as well. Some clubs will do it in a way that will put their existance at risk i.e. overpsending, and some will try and do it within their means, to which Oldham falls with the former. Next season in the Championship will see the clubs that have pushed themselves a little too far. And there will be at least one.

I am sick of hearing the same, unfounded drivel that people keep going about "If CH wasn't in charge XXX amount of fans would return". Is the same number that never attended beacuse Boundary Park wasn't Watersheddings, and the same number that don't attend because we do not play in red and white hoops. The excuses are always there. And if our performance as a club was based on excuses, then we would be World Club Champions.
The way I see it, is that we have a club that has under performed this season, not doubt, and a ground that easily is reasonable enough for the time being. Why invest in £200k + when we are only getting 500 fans in a ground that can easily accomodate that number. If we were getting 1k or near to, then it would put pressure on the club to act more quickly - that's if they can (remember, the club can only control so much of the ground development, the rest is the hands of the council). Therefore, it comes to my final point. You either support the club and the players on the paddock, or you don't.

Don't follow the logic have you ever asked yourself why from a healthy 1500 fans 4-5 years ago we now are getting under 500???

[oldhamer]

Don't follow the logic have you ever asked yourself why from a healthy 1500 fans 4-5 years ago we now are getting under 500???


If you look at every single Championship and Championship 1 attendances over the past 4-5 years, most teams have found a massive slump in attendances, irrespective of their on field performance. There is nothing to play for anymore in either division to be honest, and that is reflected in the attendances throughout the divisions.

Look at the Semi Final on Saturday at Huddersfield. If side like Wigan and Leeds cannot fill the Galpharm for a MAJOR semi final irrespective of tv coverage or not, then the game is in a pretty poor state. The same applies for another semi played at Salford with it's miniscule capacity for a semi final venue, and that wasn't full either.

[sheddings69]

I echo your sentiments to the letter Ruffyed. It has been a disapointing season, granted, but it happens. We have no divine right to conquer and command, and I am sure every single Championship 1 side is hell bent on trying to find a way out of this league as well. Some clubs will do it in a way that will put their existance at risk i.e. overpsending, and some will try and do it within their means, to which Oldham falls with the former. Next season in the Championship will see the clubs that have pushed themselves a little too far. And there will be at least one.

I am sick of hearing the same, unfounded drivel that people keep going about "If CH wasn't in charge XXX amount of fans would return". Is the same number that never attended beacuse Boundary Park wasn't Watersheddings, and the same number that don't attend because we do not play in red and white hoops. The excuses are always there. And if our performance as a club was based on excuses, then we would be World Club Champions.
The way I see it, is that we have a club that has under performed this season, not doubt, and a ground that easily is reasonable enough for the time being. Why invest in £200k + when we are only getting 500 fans in a ground that can easily accomodate that number. If we were getting 1k or near to, then it would put pressure on the club to act more quickly - that's if they can (remember, the club can only control so much of the ground development, the rest is the hands of the council). Therefore, it comes to my final point. You either support the club and the players on the paddock, or you don't.

Some fans are more bothered about the ins and outs of the club than the rugby that is played. If I shopped at Tesco, I couldn't give a flying pig about what their CEO does, or doesn't do, or whether he engages me or not. I pay my money, and I take it for what it is. However, if I didn't like the products on show, then I would shop elsewhere

Hello Oldhamer. I don't know about you but like most people that have watched ORLFC all their lives I couldn't bring myself to go and watch another team. Therefore, I doubt the comment 'if I didn't like the products on show, then I would shop elsewhere' really holds water in these circumstances. More likely is that people simply stayaway.

The problem is that, rightly of wrongly, this forum is the only place for few people that are left to air their views.

[thecrab]

I suppose we could rename this forum the Rose Tinted Views eh Ruffyed?
I'm not doin a runner like eclecticsheep and as sheddings69 writes this is the only realistic place where i can air my views.

I think the Rose-Tinted brigade need to realise we are not all anti-CH with an axe to grind with him through personal issues.
There are some people who simply will not watch Oldham again because of CH for whatever reason, thats their choice.

There's a lot that arent anti-CH but are fed up to saturation with the clubs mismanagement and this season has been the final straw.

I'm one of those frustrated fans and after 30 years loyal support i've seen the club deteriorate to a point where i cant watch it anymore and I am not alone with this.
If the situation changes radically then i'll be back to support it. The anti-CH lot wont.
BUT its a fair bet that nothing will change because it hasnt in the last 15 years.

No matter how you look at it our club cannot continue as it is, it is in freefall and CH is responsible for where we are.
To me the only answer is change and if Rochdale can survive on a supporters run arrangement (and be currently more successful) then why cant we?

[bigred]

A supporters trust would be the logical step forward for most fans I imagine. Problem is that at the present time the club is in the hands of one man who uses it as is source of income!
As I posted previously, the only way I can foresee of loosening his stranglehold on our club is to try to reduce it's value and viability to such a point that it's no longer in his interest to continue.
I appreciate that there are obvious risks to this scenario, the obvious one being whether the rugby league would allow a new club into the league again.
Personally, I think the risk would be worth taking because at the present time the team and club we all follow and have given so much time and money to over the years is sliding into oblivion!

[ruffyed]

No just stop reading the thread not exactly difficult is it.

Simple it may be to you Mahdlo the Magnificent as you are obviously blessed with psychic powers but I must read a posting before I know its content . May the force be with you.

The Crab / Big Red

Round and round we go again ....back to rose tinted brigade now ....should have known it wouldn't be long before that one reappeared. Should CH go it may be that a supporters trust is the only viable alternative but as I have posted previously this would be far from a given that it would get off the ground . As BR states there is a very real possibility that the RFL would not sanction another new club given the history at Oldham . There must also be a massive question mark over where any new club would play as we have been given special dispensation to play at Whitebank even though it fails to meet minimum standards.. The RFL may decide that they will not repeat the mistake and where would that leave the new club ....no money , no ground , no players ...sounds familiar . Remember when comparing the situation with Rochdale they had Spotland to fall back on so its far from cut and dried . You seem to be comfortable taking this risk ....I however am not and that is where we will always disagree . As said earlier I would rather have a badly run club than no club at all.

[unsilentmajority]

Probably playing the likes off saddleworth, siddal, skirlaugh etc, you never know we might even finish in the playoffs in the national conference