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[dys]

When are the RFL/NCL going to sort the backlog fixtures as only a couple of free weekends left now.

And if there are going to be be any midweek fixtures they would have to be played in the next month or so as be getting dark (obviously doesnt matter if got flood lights)

Also heard the administrator from ncl has gone one Holly jolls for 2 weeks so nothing be sorted before then.

Our club for example Myton warriors have 4 games to rearrange: ince home and away, wath brow home and thatto away.

This weekend 28th we have no game and I believe we asked clubs/ncl for a game but none would or could play(wasn't just the 3 clubs above) so that's another week wasted.

The 25th aug is free weekend but can't see any clubs wanting to play that weekend with bank hole and challenge cup final.

The only other is 15th sept and we have ince at home scheduled for that date.

This leaves us with 3 more and no weekends left to play, and obviously these 3 are long distance for one club if was midweek.

Who is actually in charge of setting these the clubs or the league? Surely this week for example they should of forced us and another club to play? Only way we can see is extending the season??

What are other clubs experiences on arranging backlog games?

Oh and one more thing to throw into the pot, should wath brow win on sat in the cup, our fixture away to wath on 1st sept would be off so that would be another to fit it........

[TaxiEgg]

I warned this would be a problem but my concerns were totally dismissed or completly ignored ,the game as a whole is in a complete mess but the NCL are ok cos Trev and Peter are on the community board and all will be fine.

[thestatman]

I agree it needs sorting sooner rather than later. Asking clubs to sort it between themselves and to rearrange local games to be played midweek in order to free up weekends is impractical as all clubs without the backlog have no reason to put themselves at a disadvantage by playing 2 games in a few days in order to help out a rival - on top of that it would mean the involvement of at between four and six other clubs to switch fixtures round.

With the nights begin to draw in midweek fixtures will soon not be an option for teams without floodlights. It needs someone to get a grip of the fixture list quickly (tearing up the original if necessary) and tell clubs when they are playing the games. Otherwise the competition could rapidly descend into a joke as the season is not going to finish on time or teams will be forced to travel long distances midweek - which with the league as tight as it is could have a massive and very unfair impact upon the playoffs, league leaders and relegation.

[TaxiEgg]

This is an extract from the letter i sent to all relevent parties;


Ending the season in Autumn / winter is putting the business end of the season in potentionally the worse weather conditions and should the season fall behind there is little or no scope to complete the competition.

I propose we end in spring /Summer the better playing conditions giving us the feel good factor as we celebrate the Competition conclusions and giving us the flexibility of using the light nights to should we need them to conclude the fixture program.

Also maximising the spectator support in the league deciders and cup finals. This will benefit us all.

[LONGMAN]

When are the RFL/NCL going to sort the backlog fixtures as only a couple of free weekends left now.

And if there are going to be be any midweek fixtures they would have to be played in the next month or so as be getting dark (obviously doesnt matter if got flood lights)

Also heard the administrator from ncl has gone one Holly jolls for 2 weeks so nothing be sorted before then.

Our club for example Myton warriors have 4 games to rearrange: ince home and away, wath brow home and thatto away.

This weekend 28th we have no game and I believe we asked clubs/ncl for a game but none would or could play(wasn't just the 3 clubs above) so that's another week wasted.

The 25th aug is free weekend but can't see any clubs wanting to play that weekend with bank hole and challenge cup final.

The only other is 15th sept and we have ince at home scheduled for that date.

This leaves us with 3 more and no weekends left to play, and obviously these 3 are long distance for one club if was midweek.

Who is actually in charge of setting these the clubs or the league? Surely this week for example they should of forced us and another club to play? Only way we can see is extending the season??

What are other clubs experiences on arranging backlog games?

Oh and one more thing to throw into the pot, should wath brow win on sat in the cup, our fixture away to wath on 1st sept would be off so that would be another to fit it........

This wouldnt have happened if Dave Lowes was still there.
You would have definately had a re-arranged match organised,

[Tangerine]

The last scheduled fixture is oct 13th gf on Nov 25th so two free weekends to play backlog before playoffs need to start but more than two will need be mid week

[cheesecretary]

Surely the NCL ''management'' have this in hand? We will be struggling to fit all the people in to our grounds as the excitement builds ????? Oh wait a minute no clubs will be expected to
1 - Sort their own games out ?
2- Possibly travel mid week non local games when it seems every club is struggling player wise Saturdays
3 - Probably pay fines when games cvannot be fulfilled due to lack player availability

What was once seen as a leading light in the amature game in my opinion is a laughing stock. Teams signing lads up on day to play as players not turning up, NCL 1st teams ( my club included ) not been able to raise 17 players for 1 1st team game ( despite easily running 3 teams 12 months ago ), total lack of interest from speccies. I have attended 18 NCL games this season and am yet to see any crowd 50% of what we had in winter season. People may disagree, but ask the people running the clubs for their honest thoughts and it will shock the summer rugby brigade. From conversations with a NCL top table member Trevor Hunt was to call a meeting for clubs to openly discuss the season to date ? Have we a date for this or do we need to organise ourselves as clubs and let them know a date to turn up to listen to us?
Im afraid a lot of experienced people who have put many hours into their clubs have already walked away and come the end of the season i can see many more doing the same.
Do something now to your ''established well run member clubs'' or i think the NCL is in grave danger of becoming a mockery

[dys]

I agree it needs sorting sooner rather than later. Asking clubs to sort it between themselves and to rearrange local games to be played midweek in order to free up weekends is impractical as all clubs without the backlog have no reason to put themselves at a disadvantage by playing 2 games in a few days in order to help out a rival - on top of that it would mean the involvement of at between four and six other clubs to switch fixtures round.

With the nights begin to draw in midweek fixtures will soon not be an option for teams without floodlights. It needs someone to get a grip of the fixture list quickly (tearing up the original if necessary) and tell clubs when they are playing the games. Otherwise the competition could rapidly descend into a joke as the season is not going to finish on time or teams will be forced to travel long distances midweek - which with the league as tight as it is could have a massive and very unfair impact upon the playoffs, league leaders and relegation.

yes exactly right we have asked a couple of clubs who don't have backlog games and they don't wish to change which is their right i guess.

As you say, for example we move a saturday game to midweek but then ince say might have a fixture already on that sat so it doesnt help us out.

I think someone needs to get all the remaining fixtures and re do them all with local games midweek. and this should come out from the ncl and teams have to play them dates!

[LONGMAN]

I get the feeling that the move to summer has suited some teams and not others especially regarding playing numbers.

Have the clubs such as cheesecretarts (Oulton) asked the players why they not turning up for training or matches?
Have they stayed with their previous summer clubs such as Kippax?
Why do you struggle to get 17 for a 1st. team game when you have over 60 registered players?
Are your speccies also cricket fans as you share your facilities with a cricket team?

This is the first season in the summer months and change sometimes comes at a cost.

Hopefully next season we carry on with the summer league and the players look at it differently and accept change, as i feel overall its got to better for the clubs/players and the sport in general.

[cheesecretary]

I get the feeling that the move to summer has suited some teams and not others especially regarding playing numbers.

Have the clubs such as cheesecretarts (Oulton) asked the players why they not turning up for training or matches?
Have they stayed with their previous summer clubs such as Kippax?
Why do you struggle to get 17 for a 1st. team game when you have over 60 registered players?
Are your speccies also cricket fans as you share your facilities with a cricket team?

This is the first season in the summer months and change sometimes comes at a cost.

Hopefully next season we carry on with the summer league and the players look at it differently and accept change, as i feel overall its got to better for the clubs/players and the sport in general.

^{We may have over 60 registered players , however some of these left years ago however the NCL cannot seem to delete them - lol
We have lost only 1 player who is staying with a winter team and have 1 player that has transferred to another NCL Summer team. We do not have any players at Kippax, we had 4 in last years Summer Comp when NCL was winter based. We played a team recently in discussion with their secretary before ko who have 110 signed on players yet could not get a second team out that day.
No general reason just lads not turning up or they play a week miss a week. I do not think any club can say they have played any type of settled team more than 2/3 games. We have played 1 game this season where we went to Hull Dockers counted on the day had 28 players unavailable ( 2 stag do's ), yes we tried to re arrange but Dockers could not accomodate, we travelled with 15 including our 42 year old coach on the bench, score 68-0.
Maybe all clubs not struggling, however, having been involved a number of years and from speaking to people in the game whos opinion i respect and trust all is not rosy.}

[once a ref always a ref]

The much maligned David Lowe used to react immediately when he could see a problem arising and he had a willingness to do the hard work to protect the reputation of the NCL. The current incumbents will be ignoring the fixture pile up because they haven't got a clue how to sort it and will be hoping the clubs do the work for them.

[TaxiEgg]

Yes he sorted it out ok one team last year played 8 games in 21 days great for the players NOT .

[Tangerine]

The management should have sorted some fixtures for this weekend for all teams not in cup for example bridge v Myton could have been played. Games don't get sorted if it is left up to the clubs to arrange. Missed opportunity now makes it tighter at end of season and teams involved in playoffs don't want be playing twice a week in the run up to them

Edited by Tangerine, 26 July 2012 - 06:43 AM.

[thestatman]

The sensible approach, in my opinion would be to wait until after the weekend to see which teams make the semi finals of the cup then look at a re-jig after that.

[TheDuke]

Were there any teams that Myton could have played in previous cup rounds?

It is becoming a bit of a joke really

[usain bolt]

looking at next weeks fixtures, 3rd/4th august, all these could be pencilled in for a mid week slot allowing the weekend to be free for a round of rearranged fixtures. a bit of fore sight needs to be applied i think from the rfl. i think theres another derby ish round coming up that could free a weekend too.

3rd aug leigh miners v leigh east
4th aug east hull v skirlaugh
4th aug hull dockers v myton
4th aug saddleworth v siddal
4th aug thatto heath v wath brow
4th aug west hull v oulton
4th aug wigan st pats v rose bridge

its not ideal for some teams, ie travels for wath brow and oulton although surely its a start on the thinking of rearranged fixtures. this is surely better than maybe wath brow needing to maybe travel to yorkshire/ hull midweek or vice versa.

[Barrybeagle]

The current League season is running from 3rd March upto 13th October that covers 33 saturday's.
Prem and Div 1 clubs I think play 26 matches, add a blank week for the challenge cup final that's 27.

Factor in playing in the challenge cup 1st and 2nd rounds early season that's 29,

The extra week's are been taken up with the new tier 3 cup comp,

With the benefit of hindsight would it not just have been better just for the first season to get the league games played, and worry about cups after, when we all had a season under our belt to see the benefits and the pit falls that everybody is going through ?

Some clubs possibly sensibly took the opt out not to enter, I realise the cup is there to try and recreate something missing because of the National cup scenario, I don't think it will ever replace that, but if we had created some free weeks along the way at the expense of this cup, Clubs may have found things a little easier and we certainly would not be replying to this thread now - it wouldn't exist.

[usain bolt]

The current League season is running from 3rd March upto 13th October that covers 33 saturday's.
Prem and Div 1 clubs I think play 26 matches, add a blank week for the challenge cup final that's 27.

Factor in playing in the challenge cup 1st and 2nd rounds early season that's 29,

The extra week's are been taken up with the new tier 3 cup comp,

With the benefit of hindsight would it not just have been better just for the first season to get the league games played, and worry about cups after, when we all had a season under our belt to see the benefits and the pit falls that everybody is going through ?

Some clubs possibly sensibly took the opt out not to enter, I realise the cup is there to try and recreate something missing because of the National cup scenario, I don't think it will ever replace that, but if we had created some free weeks along the way at the expense of this cup, Clubs may have found things a little easier and we certainly would not be replying to this thread now - it wouldn't exist.

theres been free weekends for sides once knocked out the cup yet nothing organised for these free weekends except the odd fixture. look at this weekend for example. one fixture from the prem taking place yet only 5 prem teams left in the cup. that leaves 7 sides from the prem without a fixture this weekend. whos fault is this, the ncl, rfl or individual clubs. surely for me the fixture planners should be pencilling in fixtures not suggesting theres a free weekend here an there "get it sorted".

[old papa]

Prem clubs having to play mid week games in August sounds like we have returned to the old winter season when this was the normal thing I think. who would have thought when the fixtures was compiled that we would miss games in the summer for waterlogged pitches ( nobody ) if the league had left loads of free weekends the clubs would then have moaned that they where not playing ie Myton at the beginning of the season. It all needs looking at before next season and lets all learn from the mistakes of this year. do agree that once a game as been postponed it should be rescheduled by the league straight away by slotting it into a backlog weekend. I have just looked on the original fixture list sent out by the NCL and it stated that this coming weekend was cup quarter finals or backlog games so clearly this is a mistake by the NCL for not arranging games for the teams not taking part in the cup. I would have kicked up a fuss had we any backlog games which would have now got to be played mid week if we did nt have a fixture for this weekend maybe all the blame can not be placed at the NCL Door some club admins should have had the insight to see who they could play and contact the league admin. This weekend was not down has a free week. so no clubs could refuse to play a fixture.
what you think to that Casyorkie ( get on your hol's)

Edited by old papa, 26 July 2012 - 02:49 PM.

[dys]

Prem clubs having to play mid week games in August sounds like we have returned to the old winter season when this was the normal thing I think. who would have thought when the fixtures was compiled that we would miss games in the summer for waterlogged pitches ( nobody ) if the league had left loads of free weekends the clubs would then have moaned that they where not playing ie Myton at the beginning of the season. It all needs looking at before next season and lets all learn from the mistakes of this year. do agree that once a game as been postponed it should be rescheduled by the league straight away by slotting it into a backlog weekend. I have just looked on the original fixture list sent out by the NCL and it stated that this coming weekend was cup quarter finals or backlog games so clearly this is a mistake by the NCL for not arranging games for the teams not taking part in the cup. I would have kicked up a fuss had we any backlog games which would have now got to be played mid week if we did nt have a fixture for this weekend maybe all the blame can not be placed at the NCL Door some club admins should have had the insight to see who they could play and contact the league admin. This weekend was not down has a free week. so no clubs could refuse to play a fixture.
what you think to that Casyorkie ( get on your hol's)

Myton have indeed tried to ask the league and clubs for fixtures on these weeks but nothing forthcoming. they certainly want to be playing as doing ok in the league but everything is stop start play a week miss a week, so can't get a run going!