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[mynameisfred]

can some one confirm if its 2/3 or 4 this year?

[unsilentmajority]

Just the usual 3 I think

[bowes]

Yeah they were talking about changing to 12 team divisions but think they've decided against.

[Cutsyke Raiders]

Yeah they were talking about changing to 12 team divisions but think they've decided against.

You have set an Olympic record for wrong guesses


8. Any Other Business:

• Promotion/Relegation:

It was confirmed that the play offs will only take place in the Premier Division. It was reiterated that the NCL is committed to having a minimum of 48 teams next season in four divisions of 12. This is dependent upon the number of applicants who seek membership of the NCL. The maximum the NCL will operate is four divisions of 14 teams. Some of the applicants may be suitable some may not be. The number of clubs voted in will dictate the promotion and relegation for each division, and it was confirmed that there have been 18 applicants, 15 new and 3 already known. Members of the Management Group will visit all the applicants and DVD’s will be requested. There will be a further Club Delegates meeting in early September to vote on the new applicants, after the Management Group have made their recommendations. It was stressed that this is not being fair to the Clubs at the top of Division Two as there are currently four Clubs vying for promotion and there may only be one team promoted. Tony reiterated exactly what had been stated in the minutes from the previous meeting. It was stressed that the issue is not solely the number of Clubs that will be promoted or relegated; it is the timescales involved that are also causing concern. Teams and players need to know sooner whether they are fighting against relegation or battling for promotion.

[bowes]

Yes but with 18 applicants only 10 need to meet criteria for normal promotion and relegation to apply. So I suspect they'll ensure that happens.

PS my 'wrong guess' about the demise of the Yorkshire League seems to be happening.

Edited by bowes, 06 August 2012 - 05:44 PM.

[Cutsyke Raiders]

Yes but with 18 applicants only 10 need to meet criteria for normal promotion and relegation to apply. So I suspect they'll ensure that happens.

PS my 'wrong guess' about the demise of the Yorkshire League seems to be happening.

It does seem that around 10 / 11 will be recommended, making a smooth transition.

How's your campaign of influencing club delegates going?


BTW, I have a broken watch that is right twice a day, which is still a far higher average than yours.

[bowes]

It does seem that around 10 / 11 will be recommended, making a smooth transition.

How's your campaign of influencing club delegates going?


BTW, I have a broken watch that is right twice a day, which is still a far higher average than yours.

Better to make 100 guesses and have 90 right than sit around and make none but sneer at the other person the 10 times they're wrong plus another 10 times when they're right.

Edited by bowes, 11 August 2012 - 01:25 PM.

[Cutsyke Raiders]

Better to make 100 guesses and have 90 right than sit around and make none but shear at the other person the 10 times they're wrong plus another 10 times when they're right.

Don't tell me...... Sun Tzu 'The Art of War'

[thestatman]

The only thing that is certain is that it will be 3 down from the Premier Division, after that it is all down to the amount of teams that are voted in. I outlined what the likely outcomes were from my understanding in a post that followed the last delegates meeting and to my understanding nothing has changed. I have copied and pasted it below.


There have been 18 applications/expressions of interest in joining the league (inc. the 3 already recommended Hudds Underbank, Kippax and Nottingham Outlaws).

If only these three are admitted and the others are found to be unsuitable then there would be 44 teams in divisions of Prem 14, Div One 14 and Div 2 16.

The NCL are hoping/aiming to recommend at least 7 clubs in order to reach the target of 4 divisions - 48 clubs (4 divisions of 12)
This would mean 3 down from Prem and 1 up from Div 1. 5 down from Div 1 and 1 up from Div 2, 5 down from Div 2 to join the 7 new clubs.
If 8 or 9 were admitted then "there would be a softening of the restructure process" allowing more promotion and/or less relegation for the Div 1/2 teams.

If there are 10-13 new clubs admitted then the divisions would remain with 3 up three down between Prem and Div 1. Also Div 1 and Div 2. No teams relegated from Div 2 and all new clubs entering at Div 3.

If 14 or 15 new clubs are recommended and admitted then I presume (although this wasn't said) that 13/14 of the new clubs would form Div 3 with one of them entering at Div 2 level. 56 clubs would be the current maximum capacity for a Four Division NCL.

It seems that anything between 4-6 new clubs would not be practical in regards to restructuring.

This is the information as I understood it. The Management Committee are to begin looking at the applications with visits/communication with new applicants happening at the moment. They are aiming to have the process completed in time for the next proposed delegates meeting on 2nd September, with hopefully a vote taking place on that evening in regards to admitting new clubs. The intention of moving the vote forward from the AGM is so clubs know exactly what they are playing for before the season ends.

Edited by thestatman, 06 August 2012 - 11:23 PM.

[bowes]

Anyone know who the 18 applicants are?

Also would Kippax still be recommended after they called off at St Albans?

Edited by bowes, 07 August 2012 - 11:57 AM.

[bowes]

Looks like Peterlee Pumas have applied though presumably on the basis of getting many of the best amateur players from across the North East.

[LONGMAN]

2013 Division structure announced

08th August 2012, 16:37
At last night’s meeting of the National Conference League Management Committee, it was confirmed that the Premier and First Divisions will continue with 14 clubs each for season 2013, and that there will be three teams relegated from the Premier and First Division to the relevant lower division at the end of the 2012 season.

There will also be three teams promoted from the First and Second Divisions to the relevant higher division at this time.

This is in line with all previous seasons in the National Conference League and with the comments made by the Chairman at the start of the 2012 summer season, when he outlined the worst and best case scenarios that could influence the continued growth of the League and which would facilitate new members of the right quality.

The Management Committee are also currently reviewing the applications of the 18 clubs that have applied for membership of the League in 2013, to ascertain the suitability of those clubs and their compliance with the NCL membership criteria.

Upon completion of this process the current member clubs will be informed of the clubs (if any) that the Management Committee recommend for membership, and also the number of clubs that will operate within Division Two, as well as any plans for a new Division Three that may operate in 2013.

I trust this is clear and apologise for the delay in confirming this information which was necessary due to the implementation of the NCL's application for new membership process.


Trevor Hunt
NCL Chairman

[bowes]

You have set an Olympic record for wrong guesses

Still think I make wrong guesses?

You've set an Olympic record of false accusations of wrong guesses

Edited by bowes, 09 August 2012 - 11:38 AM.

[Cutsyke Raiders]

Still think I make wrong guesses?

That's all you do. Guess

From the minutes 25th June. (my emphasis).
It was reiterated that the NCL is committed to having a minimum of 48 teams next season in four divisions
The maximum the NCL will operate is four divisions of 14 teams..

So, it was never decided to be 12 per division, so they haven't decided against it.
It's a small but important distinction if you can see it.

All they have done, chiefly at the insistence of East Leeds chairman Pete Longbottom, is confirm the actual promotion / relegation numbers, instead of all the vague scenarios based on the members vote.

[bowes]

That's all you do. Guess

From the minutes 25th June. (my emphasis).
It was reiterated that the NCL is committed to having a minimum of 48 teams next season in four divisions
The maximum the NCL will operate is four divisions of 14 teams..

So, it was never decided to be 12 per division, so they haven't decided against it.
It's a small but important distinction if you can see it.

All they have done, chiefly at the insistence of East Leeds chairman Pete Longbottom, is confirm the actual promotion / relegation numbers, instead of all the vague scenarios based on the members vote.

FFS. I said they were talking about 12 teams per division but didn't go with it. Which is exactly the case.

I could say that water is wet and you'd accuse me of a wrong guess. That's twice you've made false allegations.

Edited by bowes, 09 August 2012 - 04:16 PM.

[LONGMAN]

That's all you do. Guess

From the minutes 25th June. (my emphasis).
It was reiterated that the NCL is committed to having a minimum of 48 teams next season in four divisions
The maximum the NCL will operate is four divisions of 14 teams..

So, it was never decided to be 12 per division, so they haven't decided against it.
It's a small but important distinction if you can see it.

All they have done, chiefly at the insistence of East Leeds chairman Pete Longbottom, is confirm the actual promotion / relegation numbers, instead of all the vague scenarios based on the members vote.

You mean Milford arnt to blame.

[Cutsyke Raiders]

You mean Milford arnt to blame.

Not this time, simon

[bowes]

Incidentally the wording of the press release implies Nottingham, Underbank and Kippax are no longer automatically recommended for admission. I think the whole structure of any additional division(s) at tier 3 (whether a part of the NCL or otherwise) is being considered carefully

Edited by bowes, 10 August 2012 - 12:28 PM.

[Methven Hornet]

Better to make 100 guesses and have 90 right than sit around and make none but shear at the other person the 10 times they're wrong plus another 10 times when they're right.

shear???

[bowes]

shear???

Sneer