65 replies to this topic

[Mad Mal the Mauler]

Pity the taxman isn't as keen to chase Cameron's cronies that are blatently rorting to tax system, perhaps all C & C1 clubs should register an off shore account in a similar manner

[marshy1]

Maybe we`ll be seeing links to court cases for libel actions?

Hmm,that did cross my mind Mark.!

[Barnie]

It was never in any doubt that the club had this covered. u lot need to chill out a bit. hahahah ;-)

[knightsruleok]

Further to rumour-mongering that has been to the forefront of idle gossip in the last couple of days, we would point out that the Club, clearly, is NOT subject to winding up.
For information - HMRC issued a petition, originally for a sum which was settled on or about 16th July 2012.

On 21st July they thanked us for the settlement but allowed the petition to run until the current month had been paid. This was cleared on 21st July 2012 (late by 2days) and the Club is completely up to date at the time of this statement.
Unfortunately the case was not withdrawn and Monday 6th August it was brought before the Royal Courts of Justice and dismissed.
The Club will call a Fans' Meeting as soon as we can, hopefully early in September 2012, with a full agenda and any further queries on this or any other matter can be discussed openly.
This obviously will include an update on the Stadium.

So good news in the end.

But why allow them to file a petition in the first place? If you pay on time you don't get chased. You must have been 3 months in arrears at least. Only time will tell. Good luck.

[greengrass]

That is a very good point and exactly what I was thinking, why did it get to that stage? If money is tight does that mean the ground as been put on the back burner who knows.

On the statement it states "fans meeting will be arranged as soon as we can" this is simply not good enough, so as far as I am concerned I only know now were not going bust. Why can't the club issue a statement about the ground and inform us of the situtation, I understand they might be no further on from the last meeting its simple tell us that. At least we know where we stand instead of being kept in the dark.

[mark richardson]

But why allow them to file a petition in the first place? If you pay on time you don't get chased. You must have been 3 months in arrears at least. Only time will tell. Good luck.

I dont know Im no expert..Im just an optimist..everything will be ok.

[marshy1]

I dont know Im no expert..Im just an optimist..everything will be ok.

Since HMRC lost it crown status in insolvency/bankruptcy affairs which meant as a creditor they had first shout at any asset realisation, they have become very aggressive in their pursuit of outstanding liabilities. It comes as no surprise that if the club had had problems then this course of action was followed. As good as HMRC are in chasing creditors they are also extremely poor at communicating when debts have been settled. No surprise then that it was kicked out of court.

[PhillH]

Better late than never - applies to both the payment of taxes and today's statement.

Despite relief that the club is not being wound up, it can never be "good news" to confirm that HMRC had issued a winding up petition - particularly with badly chosen words that clearly demonstrate a "them and us" mentality towards the club's own supporters.

When news of a court listing got out (thanks to a Leigh fan), given the club had been silent on the matter, it was inevitable that supporters who care about the club and have seen it go through similar processes in the recent past would be very concerned and speculation would be the result. The club has simply reaped the harvest of its own actions in failing to pay taxes on time, then not communicating to fans that the debt had been paid so the court listing needn't cause concern.

We can but hope that; this episode does not indicate any deep problems with the club's finances; that actions are taken to avoid a repeat petition, and; there is no knock-on damage to the chances of Agecroft becoming a reality either financially or reputationally.

[parky]

Whilst we are on the subject perhaps the person who began the topic will investigate and disclose all the Championships clubs upto date audited accounts. Some Super league clubs would also be interesting.

[Bryce]

You could make a movie script from some of the stuff on this thread. From what the club have said it's a non-story.

Straight to DVD folks

[Keith T]

It's a bit much the club saying it's "rumour mongering" when it appears on an official public court document!!!!!!

[mark richardson]

Well I don't know whether workington mags is like a well oiled machine Keith but for me they are the worst run bureaucratic nightmares I've had the misfortune to enter.
Maybe the personal attacks based on these rumours are more the reason why the club has gone defensive.

[Keith T]

Well I don't know whether workington mags is like a well oiled machine Keith but for me they are the worst run bureaucratic nightmares I've had the misfortune to enter.
Maybe the personal attacks based on these rumours are more the reason why the club has gone defensive.

The list I saw was from the County Court not magistrates, mark. I agree HMRC are good at applying for winding up orders but very poor at cancelling them as there have been many that have been sorted before the actual court date that are allowed to run their course. The point I was making was that as it was on a public document with nothing to say it had been sorted I don't see how that can be called rumour mongering when it is to all intents and purposes a statement of fact.

[mark richardson]

I know it's a different court Keith but it's the same process.
I don't think it's that bit the rumour mongering refers to. That is a fact. The stuff written on here was speculation

[greengrass]

I agree with you Keith it makes me laugh this club, someone as found a doucment from the courts about a winding up order what are we suppose to think and then they issue a statement and the first line is going straight on the attack at the fans. Not a message to the fans saying don't worry the club is solid going forward, people skills of the SMT of the club are non existance.

As stated in my earlier post when this situtation popped up they issued a statement with a fast turnaround and squashed all rumours, we have been banging on about an update on the ground for months and all we get is "will arrange a meeting in early September".

It is always the same with this club there is no consincency, We launch a great early bird deal IMO and I feel this will retain existing fans and maybe attract new fans especially with the great family deal then this follows. When will we learn as a club and start telling fans information no matter how bad it is, this will keep us informed and stop them verus us situtation we currently have.

[mark richardson]

Greengrass I am not defending the club nor saying they are wrong or right. What I am saying is having experienced many court processes for over twenty years I am more aware than most that they are flawed,slow to change and are rarely up to date. It is a system that is almost impossible to computerise in real time.
The club and individuals were named,slated and speculation was made prior to the club making a statement for something they may have thought was sorted.
I am not defending that way of doing things but its the way it is.
I remain an optimist and will be there next week and next season.

Edited by mark richardson, 09 August 2012 - 11:00 AM.

[greengrass]

Mark I am not having a go or saying you are sticking up for the club, all I said was I agree with Keith about the way the club handled the statement. Which was going straight on the attack at the fans, the opening line of that statement was pathetic. From a business point of view I would never issue a statement with the opening line which was badly aimed at my customers (paying fans) when were already have a declining fan base.

What are we suppose to think when we see information like that, it does not matter where it came from the point is that it was there.

Whoever written that statement needs to go on a people skills course.

Edited by greengrass, 09 August 2012 - 12:37 PM.

[Jonty]

Well I don't know whether workington mags is like a well oiled machine Keith but for me they are the worst run bureaucratic nightmares I've had the misfortune to enter.
Maybe the personal attacks based on these rumours are more the reason why the club has gone defensive.

I'd hardly call things "personal attacks". No one has said anything that isn't true, albeit in a sarcastic manner, have they?

[mark richardson]

I'd hardly call things "personal attacks". No one has said anything that isn't true, albeit in a sarcastic manner, have they?

Yes quite clearly in my mind. But I tell you what mate I'm signing off from this because it's just going to degenerate into the usual mindless garbage.
We've paid a bill late. I've done it myself.
Goodnight.

[Bleep1673]

That is a very good point and exactly what I was thinking, why did it get to that stage? If money is tight does that mean the ground as been put on the back burner who knows.

Sorry I missed which day it was anything else, weren't we supposed to be in our new ground by April?
(Although they never stated which year)