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[1976PMJwires]

http://www.warringto...Wolves_players/


THE NEW TERMS
Lee Briers
1 year extension to 30/11/13
Mike Cooper
2 year extension to 30/11/14
Brad Dwyer
2 year extension to 30/11/14
Micky Higham
1 year extension to 30/11/13
Chris Hill
3 year extension to 30/11/16
Brett Hodgson
2 year extension to 30/11/14
James Laithwaite
1 year extension to 30/11/13
Adrian Morley
1 year extension to 30/11/13
Gareth O'Brien
3 year extension to 30/11/15
Ben Westwood
2 year extension to 30/11/15


David Solomona and Rhys Williams are the club’s only two Super League players whose terms currently end this November.

[Warrior Jack]

http://www.warringto...Wolves_players/


THE NEW TERMS
Lee Briers
1 year extension to 30/11/13
Mike Cooper
2 year extension to 30/11/14
Brad Dwyer
2 year extension to 30/11/14
Micky Higham
1 year extension to 30/11/13
Chris Hill
3 year extension to 30/11/16
Brett Hodgson
2 year extension to 30/11/14
James Laithwaite
1 year extension to 30/11/13
Adrian Morley
1 year extension to 30/11/13
Gareth O'Brien
3 year extension to 30/11/15
Ben Westwood
2 year extension to 30/11/15


David Solomona and Rhys Williams are the club’s only two Super League players whose terms currently end this November.

Is it April 1st?

[1976PMJwires]

Is it April 1st?

No, it's within the Salary Cap!

[Warrior Jack]

No, it's within the Salary Cap!

What's that got to do with anything? Apart from petty points scoring of course!

Go on then, tell me you are happy with some of those extensions, especially a 2 year deal for hodgson, that is just plain ridiculous.

Will they be having a ceremony to hand over his bus pass when he finally leaves?

[1976PMJwires]

What's that got to do with anything? Apart from petty points scoring of course!

Go on then, tell me you are happy with some of those extensions, especially a 2 year deal for hodgson, that is just plain ridiculous.

Will they be having a ceremony to hand over his bus pass when he finally leaves?

Staying withIn the SLE competition rules is a must, happy to answer point one.

Hodgson getting another two years is great for Steffan Ratchford, Jordan Burke and Gaz O'Brien - All young English lads with great potential


Hodgson won't be passing on bus passes - only his experience, wisdom and experienced calming influence
Coach of the future for a super league club, maybe wires next coach tbf!

Edited by 1976PMJwires, 09 August 2012 - 06:49 AM.

[hindle xiii]

I can't decide if this is keeping together a team that's there or thereabouts or making do with what they've got.

[1976PMJwires]

I can't decide if this is keeping together a team that's there or thereabouts or making do with what they've got.

It's keeping a nucleus of a team together!

[Warrior Jack]

Staying withIn the SLE competition rules is a must, happy to answer point one.

Hodgson getting another two years is great for Steffan Ratchford, Jordan Burke and Gaz O'Brien - All young English lads with great potential


Hodgson won't be passing on bus passes - only his experience, wisdom and experienced calming influence
Coach of the future for a super league club, maybe wires next coach tbf!

You may be happy to answer it, but nobody but you asked it.

The rest of it, by the way, is a load of nonsense. If any other SL club was to do that, you would be slagging them off something terrible.

A sad decision for Wire's young players.

[1976PMJwires]

You may be happy to answer it, but nobody but you asked it.

The rest of it, by the way, is a load of nonsense. If any other SL club was to do that, you would be slagging them off something terrible.

A sad decision for Wire's young players.

I never asked it - my reference was to the April 1st you made - hence its with the salary cap - HTH

The rest is nonsense - that's your opinion - hill, cooper, lathwaite, Dwyer and O'Brien make the list - so not sure why it's nonsense


But if it helps


Higham - Dwyer
Morley - Hill
Westwood - Laithwaite
Briers - O'Brien

Potential like for like - so why is it nonsense?

Hodgson for experience
Cooper homegrown and improving season on season


So again why is it nonsense?

[Wellsy4HullFC]

I never asked it - my reference was to the April 1st you made - hence its with the salary cap - HTH

The salary cap is completely irrelevant to the point he was making.

The rest is nonsense - that's your opinion - hill, cooper, lathwaite, Dwyer and O'Brien make the list - so not sure why it's nonsense

Do you not find it ironic that you're whinging about him calling your post nonsense in the same sentence That you're calling his nonsense?

But if it helps.

Higham - Dwyer
Morley - Hill
Westwood - Laithwaite
Briers - O'Brien

Potential like for like - so why is it nonsense?

Hodgson for experience
Cooper homegrown and improving season on season


So again why is it nonsense?

Because maybe he feels that giving very old players at the very back end of their careers 1-2 year contracts isn't as good for the young players as you seem to think? Keeps them out of the first team for longer, hence stunting their development. The passing of experience is good, but not necessarily better than learning on the pitch themselves.

I think you need to start taking in board the opinions if others a bit more.

[GeordieSaint]

So again why is it nonsense?

Not so much nonsense but I made a comment on the Saints site the other day; there is a reluctance to give young players the shirt in front of an older, more experienced players in this country. Saints have been awful for it this year keeping Meli on the wing and Wellens at full back. Ratchford, Hill et al are ready to take over the slots of the more senior Warrington players now in my opinion. The club can then look at giving the next batch of kids an opportunity to blood themselves in the first team. Just an opinion but I think nearly all clubs in this country need to give youth a real crack rather than relying extensively on experience and overseas players; we'll be better off for it in the future.

[Warrior Jack]

The salary cap is completely irrelevant to the point he was making.


Do you not find it ironic that you're whinging about him calling your post nonsense in the same sentence That you're calling his nonsense?


Because maybe he feels that giving very old players at the very back end of their careers 1-2 year contracts isn't as good for the young players as you seem to think? Keeps them out of the first team for longer, hence stunting their development. The passing of experience is good, but not necessarily better than learning on the pitch themselves.

I think you need to start taking in board the opinions if others a bit more.

Thanks. I'm glad someone got the point. Even if others are incapable of seeing past their own primrose and blue nose.

This passing on of experience excuse could be valid for a while I suppose, but at some point you have to let your young players have a chance. This decision by Warrington goes absolutely against that.

Looks like my April 1st jibe might have caught a fool after all.

[Marauder]

You may be happy to answer it, but nobody but you asked it.

The rest of it, by the way, is a load of nonsense. If any other SL club was to do that, you would be slagging them off something terrible.

A sad decision for Wire's young players.

Why should experience move to one side for youth if the older player is the better of the two and has been pointed out the experience from the older player will be passed on to the next batch of players.

Edited by Marauder, 09 August 2012 - 07:59 AM.

[Marauder]

Thanks. I'm glad someone got the point. Even if others are incapable of seeing past their own primrose and blue nose.

This passing on of experience excuse could be valid for a while I suppose, but at some point you have to let your young players have a chance. This decision by Warrington goes absolutely against that.

Looks like my April 1st jibe might have caught a fool after all.

Smith has rotated his squad this season and that has allowed the youth to gain match experience.

[southstand loiner]

whats all this about young players been denied a chance which is really overblown recently.
the fact is you play your best players regardless of age and slot a young player in when they have done enough to deserve the chance . if a young player is good enough he will force his way into the team just as it should be. you dont reward players just for been young.

im sure warrington are not resigning senior players who will be on big contracts just because they feel loyalty towards them but because they see they as top players for the lenth of the new contracts

[Marauder]

The salary cap is completely irrelevant to the point he was making.


Do you not find it ironic that you're whinging about him calling your post nonsense in the same sentence That you're calling his nonsense?


Because maybe he feels that giving very old players at the very back end of their careers 1-2 year contracts isn't as good for the young players as you seem to think? Keeps them out of the first team for longer, hence stunting their development. The passing of experience is good, but not necessarily better than learning on the pitch themselves.

I think you need to start taking in board the opinions if others a bit more.

Hull FC where forced to bring youth in a couple of seasons ago before they where ready, just about everyone of them had a dip in performance and ultimatley have moved on, I believe it's all about timing when you bring kids into the first team as they will develop at different times.

[1976PMJwires]

The salary cap is completely irrelevant to the point he was making.


Do you not find it ironic that you're whinging about him calling your post nonsense in the same sentence That you're calling his nonsense?


Because maybe he feels that giving very old players at the very back end of their careers 1-2 year contracts isn't as good for the young players as you seem to think? Keeps them out of the first team for longer, hence stunting their development. The passing of experience is good, but not necessarily better than learning on the pitch themselves.

I think you need to start taking in board the opinions if others a bit more.

Wellsy - Read it all again - Warrior Jack said it was nonsense - I asked Why

Warrior Jack continues to belittle the progress at Warrington - hence his 1st April - Why would Warrington want to undo the good work at the club?

Smith is slowly introducing kids into the first team, when there good enough they get contract extensions!!

Smith has selection headaches at present which is only good for a team ready for Wembley and fingers crossed a push for the GF

[1976PMJwires]

Thanks. I'm glad someone got the point. Even if others are incapable of seeing past their own primrose and blue nose.

This passing on of experience excuse could be valid for a while I suppose, but at some point you have to let your young players have a chance. This decision by Warrington goes absolutely against that.

Looks like my April 1st jibe might have caught a fool after all.

nonsense - thanks for spoiling a thread!!

Edited by 1976PMJwires, 09 August 2012 - 08:13 AM.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Wellsy - Read it all again - Warrior Jack said it was nonsense - I asked Why

Yes, you asked why... after calling his post nonsense:
"The rest is nonsense - that's your opinion - hill, cooper, lathwaite, Dwyer and O'Brien make the list - so not sure why it's nonsense"

Warrior Jack continues to belittle the progress at Warrington - hence his 1st April - Why would Warrington want to undo the good work at the club?

I think he has a very valid point about this. We have a now England international that is being kept out by a very old Australian for potentially another two seasons.

Smith is slowly introducing kids into the first team, when there good enough they get contract extensions!!

The difference between giving youth extensions and ageing players extensions us that one group is likely to improve during that time whilst the other is going to get worse.

Smith has selection headaches at present which is only good for a team ready for Wembley and fingers crossed a push for the GF

And that's good for now, but will the same aging players be getting into the team and putting in the same level of performance in one or two years time?

[Wellsy4HullFC]

Hull FC where forced to bring youth in a couple of seasons ago before they where ready, just about everyone of them had a dip in performance and ultimatley have moved on, I believe it's all about timing when you bring kids into the first team as they will develop at different times.

They were? Under Richard Agar's reign, he debuted about 5 academy players for a combined total of about 12 games (with Reece Lynn taking half of them). Last year, not one player from the academy made their debut.

The youth set up and policy at Hull was a joke under Hetherington. Certainly nothing to do with the timing, especially last year.

Youth development does have large elements of timing involved though, I agree. But when you've got a player like Ratchford who's just made his England debut, I'd say he's at the stage where he needs to be playing his position week in week out.