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#21 tim2

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:41 AM

Got to disagree there - Northampton are a lot better than last year believe me. Last year we just about fulfilled the league fixtures due to the amount of plates we lost. This new side is pretty young and will get a lot better, they have only payed 3 games ina bout 6/7 weeks.

I think there were a few glimpses of what the side can do, ball retention has normally been at around 65 - 70 % this year. Today it couldn't have bettered 45%.

The problem is the midlands is probably the weakest premier league in the summer conference mewning less standard of competition. The Premier south side that awaits in the nationals will be a while different kettle if fish in which basic mistakes wont be as easy to get away with.


I'll defer to you on that - much easier to know what's going on inside than looking at 2 or 3 performances from outside. There's so much happening right now (Rebels, Hemel, Gloucestershire and possibly Bears into CC1, NCL applications, NCL3/RLCN meltdown) that I can't even hazard a guess as to how things shape up next season.

What I can say is that Bristol will have gained far more this season from being at the higher level, and getting regular and tougher games, than Northampton and Leicester. Even while they were being thumped. So that gap will have increased, but the gap from Northampton/Leicester to Hope Valley and us is also huge and I can't see how we could sensibly be at the same level. It's a massive region with a limited number of clubs at a wide range of standards.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:46 AM

Matt,

where can I find Chris Wilsons match report?

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 10:50 AM

I'll defer to you on that - much easier to know what's going on inside than looking at 2 or 3 performances from outside. There's so much happening right now (Rebels, Hemel, Gloucestershire and possibly Bears into CC1, NCL applications, NCL3/RLCN meltdown) that I can't even hazard a guess as to how things shape up next season.

What I can say is that Bristol will have gained far more this season from being at the higher level, and getting regular and tougher games, than Northampton and Leicester. Even while they were being thumped. So that gap will have increased, but the gap from Northampton/Leicester to Hope Valley and us is also huge and I can't see how we could sensibly be at the same level. It's a massive region with a limited number of clubs at a wide range of standards.

Ever though of bringing in a few teams from the heartlands who want to play summer to raise the standard a little.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 11:44 AM

Ever though of bringing in a few teams from the heartlands who want to play summer to raise the standard a little.

Why would they want to play in a midlands league?

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 11:45 AM

Got to disagree there - Northampton are a lot better than last year believe me. Last year we just about fulfilled the league fixtures due to the amount of plates we lost. This new side is pretty young and will get a lot better, they have only payed 3 games ina bout 6/7 weeks.

I think there were a few glimpses of what the side can do, ball retention has normally been at around 65 - 70 % this year. Today it couldn't have bettered 45%.

The problem is the midlands is probably the weakest premier league in the summer conference mewning less standard of competition. The Premier south side that awaits in the nationals will be a while different kettle if fish in which basic mistakes wont be as easy to get away with.

You started very well last year but tailed off towards the end IMO but this year have kept up the standard til the end which is what made all the difference.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:21 PM

Why would they want to play in a midlands league?

Well I think you've seen the state of the Yorkshiremens league.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:23 PM

Well I think you've seen the state of the Yorkshiremens league.

True but midlands isn't exactly a better option.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:46 PM

True but midlands isn't exactly a better option.

True but midlands isn't exactly a better option.


Well if there is a team left in Yorkshire outside of the NCL (Not sure how many of the NCL want the summer, Normanton seem to be the latest who arn't very happy) that wants a full season in the summer the midlands will be the only option if the midlands teams do actually want to be playing in a full season
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#29 tim2

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:57 PM

Well if there is a team left in Yorkshire outside of the NCL (Not sure how many of the NCL want the summer, Normanton seem to be the latest who arn't very happy) that wants a full season in the summer the midlands will be the only option if the midlands teams do actually want to be playing in a full season


I don't think so, Jim. With most of the Yorkshire sides playing winter the summer Yorkshire sides would just start filling up with winter players - you know, the ones that don't like summer rugby.

The Midlands just needs to get its act together, but that's difficult whilst we are in flux with the CC1 and NCL situation.
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:20 PM

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:23 PM

Matt,

where can I find Chris Wilsons match report?


If you message me your email I'll send it to you. I see you got on the scoresheet… nice to know there's life in the old legs yet!
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Posted 20 August 2012 - 01:42 PM

Well if there is a team left in Yorkshire outside of the NCL (Not sure how many of the NCL want the summer, Normanton seem to be the latest who arn't very happy) that wants a full season in the summer the midlands will be the only option if the midlands teams do actually want to be playing in a full season

They'd be better off going NW Men's League IMO.Midlands I'd like to be full season but there's 3 issues:1. Small divisions making fixtures repetitive2. Some clubs use RU players (BARLA would be just as big a problem in the scenario you mention)3. The Harry Jephson Trophy puts a limit on season length (personally I hope it gets scrapped)In the long run I'd like to see a tier 3 Conference with a full season and then 2 lower full season leagues, 1 centred on the midlands stretching into SW and one on London and surrounding areas. North East I'd like to see full season full stop (the lower division plays 18 regular season games, more than Yorkshire Men's League). You could then have localised short season league on extremities and for development clubs in the midlands and London.

Edited by bowes, 20 August 2012 - 01:44 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:11 PM

If you message me your email I'll send it to you. I see you got on the scoresheet… nice to know there's life in the old legs yet!


Yeah, I'm feeling it today mind. Vikona is a class act as you'd expect.. I'll sent it now, cheers

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 02:31 PM

I don't think so, Jim. With most of the Yorkshire sides playing winter the summer Yorkshire sides would just start filling up with winter players - you know, the ones that don't like summer rugby.

The Midlands just needs to get its act together, but that's difficult whilst we are in flux with the CC1 and NCL situation.

I was thinking more in line with the midlands running a full 9 month summer season Tim
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#35 tim2

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 03:24 PM

I was thinking more in line with the midlands running a full 9 month summer season Tim


That would be nice.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:39 AM

Swindon's coach and myself travelled over to Oxford on Sunday to watch the game. There was some excellent attacking play and footwork on display.

Tevi was excellent but I guess he isn't used to playing in the Forwards/middle of the field so gifted Somerset a Try by throwing a miracle offload in Oxford's 40 which Somerset collected. Having said that I think he scored a hat-trick.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:43 AM

According to Chris Wilson's excellent match report, Oxford won 59-58! Tevita Vaikona played and scored a few tries (as you'd expect).

Massive lack of defence in that game


Has he played other games this season?

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:40 AM

Has he played other games this season?


Yeah, 1 I think. He played most of the 2nd Half against Swindon.

I think it was 58 - 54 (last Somerset Try was the last play of the game). The match report is on the RLCM website.

Is Chris the dude in the cap from Glos?

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:59 AM

I don't think so, Jim. With most of the Yorkshire sides playing winter the summer Yorkshire sides would just start filling up with winter players - you know, the ones that don't like summer rugby.

The Midlands just needs to get its act together, but that's difficult whilst we are in flux with the CC1 and NCL situation.

I do know the ones who have democratically voted to play winter as a club but still like to play all year round as an individual.
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#40 tim2

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:29 AM

I do know the ones who have democratically voted to play winter as a club but still like to play all year round as an individual.


Me too - we've had three playing for us this summer. The problem comes when clubs become totally dependent on those players and they will inevitably have to rest, or get fed up, or whatever. Too many examples of clubs dishing out a season of thrashings, taking their medals and folding.
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