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[andyram]

With Hunslet joining up with Leeds and becoming all but a feeder club for the super league club,will it be only a matter of time before we end up joining with a local super league,would not be surprise if Wakefield might be interested in the idea,with the changes in the under 18 and 20 teams.

[Blind side johnny]

http://www.hunsletha...artnership.html

Innocuous at first reading but anyone who supps with Mr Hetherington should use a long spoon. This may be the thin end of the wedge but, given Hunslet's precarious finances, maybe they simply need it to survive.

Were the Rams to enter into a similar partnership, which may become inevitable, then I personally would have very mixed feelings. It may cement the survival of clubs like ours, which of course would be welcomed, but it may also slowly remove the heart from the club as well. How I would feel about turning up to watch a group of players with little real loyalty to the shirt I don't know, but I'm sure that I would feel that something had been lost.

The change has been shuffled through the RFL with a strong push from the most interested parties; clearly those with the most to gain are SL clubs and those with most to lose are Championship supporters. Let's see how these things pan out I suppose but I am personally very unhappy with the prospect at the moment.

[knightsruleok]

http://www.hunsletha...artnership.html

Innocuous at first reading but anyone who supps with Mr Hetherington should use a long spoon. This may be the thin end of the wedge but, given Hunslet's precarious finances, maybe they simply need it to survive.

Were the Rams to enter into a similar partnership, which may become inevitable, then I personally would have very mixed feelings. It may cement the survival of clubs like ours, which of course would be welcomed, but it may also slowly remove the heart from the club as well. How I would feel about turning up to watch a group of players with little real loyalty to the shirt I don't know, but I'm sure that I would feel that something had been lost.

The change has been shuffled through the RFL with a strong push from the most interested parties; clearly those with the most to gain are SL clubs and those with most to lose are Championship supporters. Let's see how these things pan out I suppose but I am personally very unhappy with the prospect at the moment.

York have had 7 or 8 players on dual reg this season from Warrington, Hull, Castleford and Leeds. In all circumstances, they were either called back at short notice to cover/play for their 1st teams or got season ending injuries. Any on our books at the time were Cup tied by their parent clubs. Unless they are season long loans with no clauses, then they are a waste of time. The team gets no continuity to gel, especially if the players are in key positions.

[RobinHoodHawk]

Its very disappointing!

Would seem that the RFL hierarchy have finally got their wish.
At present you guys seem to have got more Players from Rhinos on duals than we have !!

We have had some good players from Leeds in the past including Duane Barker etc but they have shown little passion for our shirt and hardly displayed any true skills of which they are undoubtedly capable of. Synonymous of whats to come ?? Synonymous of losing our identity !

There seems to be no move from any of the Championship clubs to question the dubious running of our game with Bradford Bulls and a number of other clubs out of control financially despite being financially 'vetted' for a number of years. This action stinks of incompetence and would not be tolerated in any other form of business but in the RFL it is accepted and almost lauded.

Imagine the effects of pumping the money that is currently being spent on Bradford Bulls being given to the Championship and C1 clubs to prop up their budgets.

The Promotion/ Relegation issue has become a joke with only one league competing (C1). the 'no relegation' issue in Championship has made a mockery of this division.

Is there nothing we can do to gather a 'vote of no confidence' in the RFL's current operators ??

[grumpyoldram]

With Hunslet joining up with Leeds and becoming all but a feeder club for the super league club,will it be only a matter of time before we end up joining with a local super league,would not be surprise if Wakefield might be interested in the idea,with the changes in the under 18 and 20 teams.

There is little doubt this move will have consequences for the supporters - the depth of feeling engendered in die hard hunslet supporters, by being linked in any shape way or form to the shinos could see many of them bailing out. Of course it might not affect the younger end so badly, and appart from the chance to acquire good young players, a fair number of leeds fans might decide to adopt their new feeder club and pay to watch them (except their season ticket holders who will get in for free). In that respect the future of the club should be ensured. If the move becomes the norm for the rest of the championship though, it will make the competition a postcode lottery. Great for Batley, who will get the Giants, and brilliant for those clubs who get Warrinton, Wigan and Saints but not too good for those who end up with cas (fev) Wakey (us) or Salford - and Who will be parent club to Worky, haven and barrow. Whatever happens, it won't be a level playing field. Who knows, when the dogs go up we might even be attached to them.

[Piggy's mate]

when the dogs go up we might even be attached to them.

Classic GOR

Can't say I am happy about the proposal. Only way it would work is if we got them on a season long loan with no call back etc but that ain't gonna happen is it!

[DEWSBURY TIL I DIE]

RFL in killing game shocker again ! If Dewsbury become a feeder club for SL Academy players to come and go when they please at the parent clubs notice then im afraid i wont be coming to watch anymore games and would just leave the sport for good because this would make what already is a shambolic sport in to a walking disaster......

Why dont the brainless corrupt RFL get the own ideas instead of copying the NRL! Heard it all saturday night Eddie Hemmings commentary on sky for the widnes hull game. "Its a good job we have no relegation because we would have 3 sides on 12 points with 2 games left" said asif its a bad thing for the sport..... Isnt this what makes sport exciting. Fighting to the death at both ends of the divisions and not just the top??

The RFL wind me up. Lets just hope Mark listens to the fans and doesnt allow us to go down this shambolic way!

Sides who want to be in superleague should be given the chance on merit if they wish, Just like sides who finish bottom should be relegated. Its what makes sport!

Edited by DEWSBURY TIL I DIE, 20 August 2012 - 11:55 AM.

[Simon Kerr]

Reminds me of the Rhinos link up with Bramley.... Let's hope that it has a happier ending than that link up.

[grumpyoldram]

Reminds me of the Rhinos link up with Bramley.... Let's hope that it has a happier ending than that link up.

And of the Rams link up with the Bulls that ended up with a shared lottery, a couple of friendlies and just three loanees, one of whom only stayed one match - and the unforgettable headline in the local rag "Robbie Paul for Dewsbury ?" . TBH the whinos have already been more generous to us than the Bulls, and that is a bitter pill to swallow.

[STEVE P]

I'm not sure I understand fully what being a feeder club means, but if we all go down this route it won't be long until the RL decide that the feeder teams should change their identity to that of the club they are feeding, so Leeds' feeder club is rebranded as Leeds Rhinos A, Wakefield's as Wakefield Trinity Wildcats A, etc.
The next logical step is that we no longer need any form of promotion, ever. In fact it can't be allowed to happen, because you can't have Wigan and Wigan A in the same league, so we will have to play 2 seperate and unrelated competitions, Super League and the A team league, by which time any localised identity the feeder teams had has gone forever.
No, I don't like the idea at all.
Call me a pessimist, but who else remembers how quickly the South Yorkshire identity was erased from the Huddersfield/Sheffield amalgamation. Not the same scenario I admit, but if you aren't in fashion with the powers who run the game, you don't exist at all as far as they are concerned.

[Blind side johnny]

I'm not sure I understand fully what being a feeder club means, but if we all go down this route it won't be long until the RL decide that the feeder teams should change their identity to that of the club they are feeding, so Leeds' feeder club is rebranded as Leeds Rhinos A, Wakefield's as Wakefield Trinity Wildcats A, etc.
The next logical step is that we no longer need any form of promotion, ever. In fact it can't be allowed to happen, because you can't have Wigan and Wigan A in the same league, so we will have to play 2 seperate and unrelated competitions, Super League and the A team league, by which time any localised identity the feeder teams had has gone forever.
No, I don't like the idea at all.
Call me a pessimist, but who else remembers how quickly the South Yorkshire identity was erased from the Huddersfield/Sheffield amalgamation. Not the same scenario I admit, but if you aren't in fashion with the powers who run the game, you don't exist at all as far as they are concerned.

They won't go that far Steve, as there's no need, but the "lesser" clubs could conceivably become effectively SL A teams. If you want to see the precedent then see how the Aussie game has developed in Sydney and beyond where such as Newtown Jets (famous ex-champions the Bluebags, formed in 1908) are now a part of the NSW league as the feeder club for South Sydney.

If you do become such a feeder club then I suppose we could live with it provided that players are with us for a full season, but if it were to develop into a farm club (as in US sport) where players are brought in and taken out willy nilly, then that would be the end for many fans. After all, we've had a few years acting as fev's feeder club to get used to this sort of thing I suppose.

[oldrover]

we were told at a fans forum last night that Fev want nothing to do with this. we have ambitions beyond being a feeder club. i know each club has to act according to their own situation, but i hope more clubs decide to keep their independence. this great game does not deserve those donkeys at red hall.

[Spanish Knight]

we were told at a fans forum last night that Fev want nothing to do with this. we have ambitions beyond being a feeder club. i know each club has to act according to their own situation, but i hope more clubs decide to keep their independence. this great game does not deserve those donkeys at red hall.

Well said.

[DEWSBURY TIL I DIE]

we were told at a fans forum last night that Fev want nothing to do with this. we have ambitions beyond being a feeder club. i know each club has to act according to their own situation, but i hope more clubs decide to keep their independence. this great game does not deserve those donkeys at red hall.

I hope we do the same mate. Imsure Mark and the board wont allow this to happen to us. I for one,like every fan of ours wont want our club being a feeder club.

Dont the RFL pricks at the top make you so want to fall out with the sport you love.... All they are doing is ruining the Championship!!

Anyclub with ambitions should be aloud to fulfill them if they have the resources and ambitions to,and merit it on the field. Not be pushed away like it seems the RFL want to do.

[muddyfunster]

If this becomes "the way forward" I use the term loosely, then surely it is time that the Championship & Championship 1 clubs / chairmen stood up and showed a vote of no confidence in the top brass at Red Hall.

Can't understand why any governing body would want to kill its own sport from its roots?

Edited by muddyfunster, 22 August 2012 - 12:12 PM.

[Blind side johnny]

This hasn't come from some obscure individuals at Red Hall - it's the SL Chairmen that you should have in your sights as it was their idea, led by Mr Hetherington.

It has been costing them too much money to run their u-20's and their u-23's are playing in an uncompetitive league so they need another way to develop their players that isn't going to cost them too much. Hold on, there's a little league down there not doing much, we could use that.

At the end of the day the RFL heirarchy have to do what their members tell them to do, and that means it is those chairmen who are pulling these strings. as long as folk are prepared to blame the staff at Red Hall for this then they will be laughing their heads off.

[grumpyoldram]

This hasn't come from some obscure individuals at Red Hall - it's the SL Chairmen that you should have in your sights as it was their idea, led by Mr Hetherington.

It has been costing them too much money to run their u-20's and their u-23's are playing in an uncompetitive league so they need another way to develop their players that isn't going to cost them too much. Hold on, there's a little league down there not doing much, we could use that.

At the end of the day the RFL heirarchy have to do what their members tell them to do, and that means it is those chairmen who are pulling these strings. as long as folk are prepared to blame the staff at Red Hall for this then they will be laughing their heads off.

I largely agree BSJ - but the idea needs close scrutiny by redhall. If the clubs who throw their lot in with the SL enjoy the benefits of exciting young SL talent and some degree of financial security, while those clubs who wish to remain independant risk relegation and possible ruin, it hardly seems fair. There has to be some level of control over loan quotas, and the only people who can police it are the RL. I would suggest that either those who wish to be involved have a separate mini league of their own OR make SL clubs contractually obliged to give clubs dual reg players for a minimum of say two months. Even better would be for young players to be signed by championship clubs to develop them, but to allow for those players to be affiliated to a SL club, who would get first chance to sign them if their potential was realised.

[Blind side johnny]

I largely agree BSJ - but the idea needs close scrutiny by redhall. If the clubs who throw their lot in with the SL enjoy the benefits of exciting young SL talent and some degree of financial security, while those clubs who wish to remain independant risk relegation and possible ruin, it hardly seems fair. There has to be some level of control over loan quotas, and the only people who can police it are the RL. I would suggest that either those who wish to be involved have a separate mini league of their own OR make SL clubs contractually obliged to give clubs dual reg players for a minimum of say two months. Even better would be for young players to be signed by championship clubs to develop them, but to allow for those players to be affiliated to a SL club, who would get first chance to sign them if their potential was realised.

I agree GOR that the devil's in the detail.

Speaking personally I would rather that this didn't go ahead at all and also that dual reg was scrapped, then let SL clubs find the solution to their own dillemas without ensnaring the rest of us. I also hope for world peace.

[BatleyFanAndy]

Duel reg and feeder clubs benefit SL clubs more than they do any Championship side. It's time to stop rolling over for the Super Leaguers and just say no!

[muddyfunster]

Duel reg and feeder clubs benefit SL clubs more than they do any Championship side. It's time to stop rolling over for the Super Leaguers and just say no!

Agree