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[Honor James]

Hunslet Hawks and Leeds Rhinos are pleased to announce a new working partnership that it is hoped will benefit both Clubs.

The partnership will include player exchange under the dual registration process but also see Leeds sharing best practice on a wide range of other strategies such as media and marketing.

Hunslet are currently under the control of the Hunslet Independent Supporters Trust (HIST) who are working hard to set the foundations for a long term financially viable business operating model.

The partnership will begin with immediate effect though player movement will not commence until the 2013 season.

Phil Daly
Media and PR Manager

[The Parksider]

Hunslet Hawks and Leeds Rhinos are pleased to announce a new working partnership that it is hoped will benefit both Clubs.

The partnership will include player exchange under the dual registration process but also see Leeds sharing best practice on a wide range of other strategies such as media and marketing.

Hunslet are currently under the control of the Hunslet Independent Supporters Trust (HIST) who are working hard to set the foundations for a long term financially viable business operating model.

The partnership will begin with immediate effect though player movement will not commence until the 2013 season.

Phil Daly
Media and PR Manager

And thus comes to an end 130 years of the History of the Hunslet club as they now become Leeds under 23 team.

The dream ended in 2000 when the club were not allowed into Superleague.

However they just won't lay the body to rest will they!!

As for "exciting new partnership".

It simply isn't, they did this sort of thing with Bramley before allowing them to be killed off.

Edited by The Parksider, 20 August 2012 - 08:08 AM.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

And thus comes to an end 130 years of the History of the Hunslet club as they now become Leeds under 23 team.

The dream ended in 2000 when the club were not allowed into Superleague.

However they just won't lay the body to rest will they!!

As for "exciting new partnership".

It simply isn't, they did this sort of thing with Bramley before allowing them to be killed off.

why does that history suddenly 'un happen': a bit Stalinist I would have thought.

2000 wasn't a dream it was a foundationless fantasy

exciting new partnership? I share your scepticism, but let's see

as for Bramley, they had been the walking dead for years anyway.

[gingerjon]

The Skolars have a similar arrangement with the Broncos I believe.

[Blackpool Hawk]

And thus comes to an end 130 years of the History of the Hunslet club as they now become Leeds under 23 team.

The dream ended in 2000 when the club were not allowed into Superleague.

However they just won't lay the body to rest will they!!

As for "exciting new partnership".

It simply isn't, they did this sort of thing with Bramley before allowing them to be killed off.

I cant see how that is 130 years of history is now gone? The whole reason the Hunslet club are going in to this partnership is to try ensure that the club survives and prospers. As for been the Rhinos Under 23 team, yes we will have players on dual registration contracts but it will be no different to how fellow championship clubs have and continue to use the dual reg system to benefit their clubs. This link up will be first of many in 2013, due to certain factors yet to be announced, but on the whole the game below the Super League is becoming harder and harder for clubs like ours to survive, although we all play rugby league, super league and the championships are two separate quantities and the reality is that for clubs like Hunslet to survive we need to find alternative ways to stay alive and hopefully prosper, I think that linking up with the best run rugby league club in the country can only be positive for us on and off the field, Next season we would have been favorites for relegation, with the addition of 4-5 Leeds players we may now be looking at the top 6, that to me as a fan is positive step straight away, I personally am really excited for the long term future of Hunslet RLFC.

[terrywebbisgod]

And thus comes to an end 130 years of the History of the Hunslet club as they now become Leeds under 23 team.

The dream ended in 2000 when the club were not allowed into Superleague.

However they just won't lay the body to rest will they!!

As for "exciting new partnership".

It simply isn't, they did this sort of thing with Bramley before allowing them to be killed off.

Absolute tosh.
How will Hunslet be the Rhinos u23's,you can only have a certain amount pf players on dual reg.
Hunslet as a club will still exist,so how has 130 years of history vanished.
This can only be good for the future of Hunslet,who will not only be sharing players but also tapping into the marketing and various other resources of the Rhinos.The Rhinos website last week was publicising Hunslets game at the weekend and urging Leeds fans to get to the SLS.

Edited by terrywebbisgod, 20 August 2012 - 09:25 AM.

[chuffer]

At face value this looks promising for both parties....hopefully time will tell and the potential benefits will become a reality

[The Parksider]

1. why does that history suddenly 'un happen': a bit Stalinist I would have thought.

2. As for Bramley, they had been the walking dead for years anyway.

I said the history probably comes to an end now after 130 years, not 130 years of history being erased. How did you take my comment that way Ange??

I'm basically making the point about how far do you go with the principle of a club being a continuous entity when events radically change the way a club is made up.

Is a club continuous just because it carries the name? Are Bramley who you quote really the Bramley we once knew?? They once were in the Northern RFL and beat Leeds, they recently were due to play a match on Stanningley's pitch but couldn't raise a team.

Are Leeds City FC who play near you anything to do with Leeds City of old?

I can see the dual registration of players being an advantage to clubs who aspire to use these players to compete and get to the top of the championship and then be able to apply for Superleague.

But for a club whose history has dictated can have no such ambition, to give itself up to being a vehicle for another club to use as an "A" team or whatever, is to me the end of the road.

If London Broncos loan players to Skolars the exciting dream is one day Skolars taking their place alongside the Broncos in SL!! Sounds crazy now but if London can produce top quality youngsters in numbers it's a possibility.

No such possibility exists for Hunslet, so is this really a helping hand or just "using" the club???

I'd probably have preferred Hetherington to have announced that Hunslet would be "amalgamated" with Leeds, and if he wants a Championship club to loan players to go find one where the benefits will be a little more mutual!

[terrywebbisgod]

And thus comes to an end 130 years of the History of the Hunslet club as they now become Leeds under 23 team.

I said the history probably comes to an end now after 130 years, not 130 years of history being erased.

[The Parksider]

I cant see how that is 130 years of history is now gone? The whole reason the Hunslet club are going in to this partnership is to try ensure that the club survives and prospers. As for been the Rhinos Under 23 team, yes we will have players on dual registration contracts but it will be no different to how fellow championship clubs have and continue to use the dual reg system to benefit their clubs. This link up will be first of many in 2013, due to certain factors yet to be announced, but on the whole the game below the Super League is becoming harder and harder for clubs like ours to survive, although we all play rugby league, super league and the championships are two separate quantities and the reality is that for clubs like Hunslet to survive we need to find alternative ways to stay alive and hopefully prosper, I think that linking up with the best run rugby league club in the country can only be positive for us on and off the field, Next season we would have been favorites for relegation, with the addition of 4-5 Leeds players we may now be looking at the top 6, that to me as a fan is positive step straight away, I personally am really excited for the long term future of Hunslet RLFC.

Hello Blackpool Hawk, thanks for your thoughts.

I didn't say the history was gone, I said that the move really brings to an end the format of the club we had for 130 years, one that was a professional club that could aspire to what all the other professional clubs could aspire to.

Now we are to be propped up as a championship club by our ex-rivals because it benefits our ex-rivals in terms of player development and helps cut their costs in this area, and it benefits the RFL as they want the numbers for their three division plan.

As you say we could finally go under if relegated to the division of death in future, the RFL don't want that as they want opposition for Gloucester etc.

If you and others are personally happy that whatever it takes to keep us going in the Championship is good then fair enough, but I have a vision of ten years from now when all our players will be either young lads on loan from Leeds or lads who didn't make it at Leeds so dropped down to play Championship with us. In short we'd be leeds second team because Leeds Academy would have furnished most of our players.

Whoever writes the history of professional RL in Leeds in future, shouldthey attribute the coming years at Hunslet to be a continuing history of the hunslet Club? Or a new chapter in the History of the leeds club??

[terrywebbisgod]

Hello Blackpool Hawk, thanks for your thoughts.

I didn't say the history was gone, I said that the move really brings to an end the format of the club we had for 130 years, one that was a professional club that could aspire to what all the other professional clubs could aspire to.

Now we are to be propped up as a championship club by our ex-rivals because it benefits our ex-rivals in terms of player development and helps cut their costs in this area, and it benefits the RFL as they want the numbers for their three division plan.

As you say we could finally go under if relegated to the division of death in future, the RFL don't want that as they want opposition for Gloucester etc.

If you and others are personally happy that whatever it takes to keep us going in the Championship is good then fair enough, but I have a vision of ten years from now when all our players will be either young lads on loan from Leeds or lads who didn't make it at Leeds so dropped down to play Championship with us. In short we'd be leeds second team because Leeds Academy would have furnished most of our players.

Whoever writes the history of professional RL in Leeds in future, shouldthey attribute the coming years at Hunslet to be a continuing history of the hunslet Club? Or a new chapter in the History of the leeds club??

You have said that the history has gone.
It's a partnership,with Hunslet tapping into the resources at Leeds,not a merger.

[shrek]

Absolute tosh.
How will Hunslet be the Rhinos u23's,you can only have a certain amount pf players on dual reg.

Does that still stand next season? If the Super League clubs abolish the U20's as has been reported and talked about in several threads, presumably the numbers going out on loan/dual reg will also increase.

[terrywebbisgod]

Does that still stand next season? If the Super League clubs abolish the U20's as has been reported and talked about in several threads, presumably the numbers going out on loan/dual reg will also increase.

Not working for the RFL, I wouldn't know but given that Hunslet have signed quite a few of this years team for next season,I don't think things will change much.

[The Parksider]

Absolute tosh.
How will Hunslet be the Rhinos u23's,you can only have a certain amount pf players on dual reg.
Hunslet as a club will still exist,so how has 130 years of history vanished.
This can only be good for the future of Hunslet,who will not only be sharing players but also tapping into the marketing and various other resources of the Rhinos.The Rhinos website last week was publicising Hunslets game at the weekend and urging Leeds fans to get to the SLS.

Sorry TWIG.

To rephrase, as you are the third to indicate my wording was clumsy, I suggest that these moves could lead to historians taking the view in future that the Hunslet club as an independant entity stopped being such once these moves came in,and that future events at the South leeds Stadium could be viewed more as a history of the Leeds club.

I hear what you say about marketing, but why would Leeds help their local rivals to market games in Hunslet. Should Bradford urge people in keighley to go watch keighley, or Cas help Fev find more fans from Ponte?

I remember the old days of the format of leeds and hunslet. We each had juniors teams, then above that intermediate teams, then above that "A" teams (and ours could compete with Leeds even in the later years) and finally the first teams.

Leeds of course would not have dreamedof marketing a Hunslet match, but they did of course promote their own "A" team matches.

I have no doubt at all that if leeds were honest they would say that they would want every paying fan in leeds to become Leeds fans, they would want the 500 or so Hunlet fans and the 500 or more latent Hunslet fans to just become Loiners and add 1,000 to the average leeds crowd. Then they'd go and link up with York to be their "A" team.

But short term it won't work like that as many remaining Hunslet fans are aggressive towards and resentful of Leeds.

So if the Hunslet fans won't go watch Leeds then maybe they'll at least watch a leeds "A" team called Hunslet.....

One way or another Hetherington will get what he wants.....

[terrywebbisgod]

I think your reading more into this than is actually happening.

[Marauder]

And thus comes to an end 130 years of the History of the Hunslet club as they now become Leeds under 23 team.

The dream ended in 2000 when the club were not allowed into Superleague.

However they just won't lay the body to rest will they!!

As for "exciting new partnership".

It simply isn't, they did this sort of thing with Bramley before allowing them to be killed off.

I was thinking the same, all the RFL have put into place is a system where super league clubs will now control Championship clubs and the currentcy will be U20's players and the odd 1st team player who needs a run out.

[Blackpool Hawk]

Hello Blackpool Hawk, thanks for your thoughts.

I didn't say the history was gone, I said that the move really brings to an end the format of the club we had for 130 years, one that was a professional club that could aspire to what all the other professional clubs could aspire to.

Now we are to be propped up as a championship club by our ex-rivals because it benefits our ex-rivals in terms of player development and helps cut their costs in this area, and it benefits the RFL as they want the numbers for their three division plan.

As you say we could finally go under if relegated to the division of death in future, the RFL don't want that as they want opposition for Gloucester etc.

If you and others are personally happy that whatever it takes to keep us going in the Championship is good then fair enough, but I have a vision of ten years from now when all our players will be either young lads on loan from Leeds or lads who didn't make it at Leeds so dropped down to play Championship with us. In short we'd be leeds second team because Leeds Academy would have furnished most of our players.

Whoever writes the history of professional RL in Leeds in future, shouldthey attribute the coming years at Hunslet to be a continuing history of the hunslet Club? Or a new chapter in the History of the leeds club??

I dont see how this move brings to an end of the club we had for 130 years? surely that was done when Parkside was sold and the club reformed as New Hunslet, but that's another story, The Hunslet club has not been sold, we have not given anything away, we have not lost our independence, the club is still Hunslet RLFC, owned, run and managed day to day by the Hunslet Supporters Trust, All this partnership means is that we get the benefit of having the ability to utilise some of the great kids at Leeds on dual reg contracts something that is been done now by every club outside Super League, all this agreement means is that we are the sole club that Leeds will send their dual reg players to going forward.

If we need to be propped up (Id like to say helped) by Leeds Rhinos to ensure Hunslet competes at the highest level we can, then that will do me, this club cant continue to survive on crowds of 400, with no financial backer and huge historic debt. We are where we are and we need to do whatever it takes to ensure the club survives and prospers.

Lets not kid ourselves that this is a one off, this is the first of clubs like ours making partnerships with Super League clubs, its the realty of the game outside super league and with impending announcement by the RFL clubs will have to partner with lower league clubs to give their kids game time.

Our history will continue to be wrote by Hunslet RLFC, a club run by the fans for the fans.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

I said the history probably comes to an end now after 130 years, not 130 years of history being erased. How did you take my comment that way Ange??

I'm basically making the point about how far do you go with the principle of a club being a continuous entity when events radically change the way a club is made up.

Is a club continuous just because it carries the name? Are Bramley who you quote really the Bramley we once knew?? They once were in the Northern RFL and beat Leeds, they recently were due to play a match on Stanningley's pitch but couldn't raise a team.

Are Leeds City FC who play near you anything to do with Leeds City of old?

I can see the dual registration of players being an advantage to clubs who aspire to use these players to compete and get to the top of the championship and then be able to apply for Superleague.

But for a club whose history has dictated can have no such ambition, to give itself up to being a vehicle for another club to use as an "A" team or whatever, is to me the end of the road.

If London Broncos loan players to Skolars the exciting dream is one day Skolars taking their place alongside the Broncos in SL!! Sounds crazy now but if London can produce top quality youngsters in numbers it's a possibility.

No such possibility exists for Hunslet, so is this really a helping hand or just "using" the club???

I'd probably have preferred Hetherington to have announced that Hunslet would be "amalgamated" with Leeds, and if he wants a Championship club to loan players to go find one where the benefits will be a little more mutual!

you said it had 'come to an end', ie stopped. It hasn't. It remains, and will be added to

it carries on being a continuous entity because: it still has the name and that history, it competes, it has a support base, it has people putting effort and money into it

It wasn't the rhinos fault that Bram went down the gurgler

as for being 'used': I think it's a question of symbiosis.
returning to that 130 years of history. That's all it is. No entitlement comes with it.
and the club's existence has been threatened in a far greater way than this in the past.

[terrywebbisgod]

I dont see how this move brings to an end of the club we had for 130 years? surely that was done when Parkside was sold and the club reformed as New Hunslet, but that's another story, The Hunslet club has not been sold, we have not given anything away, we have not lost our independence, the club is still Hunslet RLFC, owned, run and managed day to day by the Hunslet Supporters Trust, All this partnership means is that we get the benefit of having the ability to utilise some of the great kids at Leeds on dual reg contracts something that is been done now by every club outside Super League, all this agreement means is that we are the sole club that Leeds will send their dual reg players to going forward.

If we need to be propped up (Id like to say helped) by Leeds Rhinos to ensure Hunslet competes at the highest level we can, then that will do me, this club cant continue to survive on crowds of 400, with no financial backer and huge historic debt. We are where we are and we need to do whatever it takes to ensure the club survives and prospers.

Lets not kid ourselves that this is a one off, this is the first of clubs like ours making partnerships with Super League clubs, its the realty of the game outside super league and with impending announcement by the RFL clubs will have to partner with lower league clubs to give their kids game time.

Our history will continue to be wrote by Hunslet RLFC, a club run by the fans for the fans.

Spot on.
Quite a few dummies being spat out on the Hunslet forum though.

Edited by terrywebbisgod, 20 August 2012 - 11:37 AM.

[The Parksider]

Does that still stand next season? If the Super League clubs abolish the U20's as has been reported and talked about in several threads, presumably the numbers going out on loan/dual reg will also increase.

Next season isn't the point, it's more about how does this work long term.

We know by looking at past years that every year an SL club has an influx of a dozen or so into their player development system and every year the odd player ends up finishing with that system and stepping into the first team.

That means that every year there are Championship level players who will be rejected for an SL contract but will want a Championship contract.

Of course if all things were even (and you never know they may be in future) they may as well just accept a contract with their local feeder club they played at.

And so in 10 years time will Leeds be a team of leeds lads and will Hunslet also be a team of Leeds lads who joined leeds in the first place.

Is Hunslet to become efectively a team of Leeds players??