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[The Parksider]

1. HIST have to do whats in the best interests of the club, and in the current situation the club finds its self in, it would be foolish for the HIST board to not take up this opportunity to link up with Leeds Rhinos.

2. All this partnership entails is a dual reg agreement where by Leeds will ONLY send there players to Hunslet and that's it. Its no different to York having 4 dual reg players this season from Cas and Hull.

1. I fully understand and respect your position.

2. Whilst I appreciate York have already made this tie up and undertaken it this year, I refer people to the current league positions and wonder if the tie up that York have had has actually done them any good at all?
9 Hunslet 17 1 0 16 220 658 7 10 York 17 1 0 16 246 617 6

[The Parksider]

Not according to all the nay sayers and doom merchants.

With respect Terry you seem to be spoiling for a row again. Why call people names. I just want an interesting debate and other people's opinions??

[Blackpool Hawk]

Not according to all the nay sayers and doom merchants.

We expected this reaction, and rightly so, its a big thing in a lot of supporters eyes, especially with it been Leeds Rhinos, but again its only a dual reg deal for 2013, nothing more nothing less, i guess it wouldnt have got as much negativity today if we had announced it was a partnership with Wakefield or Castleford, and Gary Heatherignton wasn't involved??

[terrywebbisgod]

With respect Terry you seem to be spoiling for a row again. Why call people names. I just want an interesting debate and other people's opinions??

Far from it,apart from a few posters,everyone else seems to think it's the end of Hunslet Hawks,seems like doom mongering to me.Just saying it as I see it.

[terrywebbisgod]

We expected this reaction, and rightly so, its a big thing in a lot of supporters eyes, especially with it been Leeds Rhinos, but again its only a dual reg deal for 2013, nothing more nothing less, i guess it wouldnt have got as much negativity today if we had announced it was a partnership with Wakefield or Castleford, and Gary Heatherignton wasn't involved??

Exactly.

[Blackpool Hawk]

1. I fully understand and respect your position.

2. Whilst I appreciate York have already made this tie up and undertaken it this year, I refer people to the current league positions and wonder if the tie up that York have had has actually done them any good at all?
9 Hunslet 17 1 0 16 220 658 7 10 York 17 1 0 16 246 617 6

Them stats would suggest not, we as a club have not take full advantage of the dual reg, apart from a certain Elliot Kerr, who was an unknown before he came to Hunslet in 2011, he was superb for us and learnt his trade in the lower leagues before flourishing for both Bradford and Wales.

I think that we need to give it a go and see how it works, it may be a success, it may not be, but we have to try to get the club to be more competitive on the field of play but still remaining within budget and running the club as a community based viable business.

We are never ever going to be more than just another Championship team and that's not me been negative its just the reality of been a Hunslet supporter, i accepted that after 1999, we have to ensure we survive and compete, whilst running the club within its means, we cant afford to do a Bradford, cos we wont get bailed out, we will go bust!

[The Parksider]

Far from it,apart from a few posters,everyone else seems to think it's the end of Hunslet Hawks,seems like doom mongering to me.Just saying it as I see it.

Do you really think so?

After all it is ALSO people in support of the proposal that are saying if this doesn't happen the club is doomed.

Plus as the Championship table shows the system hasn't done York any good has it?

Seems like doom mongering all round

[The Parksider]

Them stats would suggest not, we as a club have not take full advantage of the dual reg, apart from a certain Elliot Kerr, who was an unknown before he came to Hunslet in 2011, he was superb for us and learnt his trade in the lower leagues before flourishing for both Bradford and Wales.

I think that we need to give it a go and see how it works, it may be a success, it may not be, but we have to try to get the club to be more competitive on the field of play but still remaining within budget and running the club as a community based viable business.

We are never ever going to be more than just another Championship team and that's not me been negative its just the reality of been a Hunslet supporter, i accepted that after 1999, we have to ensure we survive and compete, whilst running the club within its means, we cant afford to do a Bradford, cos we wont get bailed out, we will go bust!

Yes thanks for that BH and all your thoughts.

The proof of the pudding and all that.

But the current aims of the two clubs are not fully clear.

Your stated aim is to have a more competetive team so you can cement a position in the soon to be 14 club Championship and stay out of the "league of death" where (as the great Graham Liles once said of the old third division created by Gary Hetherington - there I have mentioned him again, but I for the record don't think he's a monster, I think he should run the RFL) the club risks crowds so low it will threaten their existence as a pro club.

But what is Leeds stated aim in terms of the tie up???

If it's to give a few young Rhinos Lads championship game time then there is no shared interest?

Is it however part of leeds policy on this to provide players with a view to keeping Hunslet in the Championship so that the level the young Rhinos play at year on year is the best possible level???

[terrywebbisgod]

Do you really think so?

After all it is ALSO people in support of the proposal that are saying if this doesn't happen the club is doomed.

Plus as the Championship table shows the system hasn't done York any good has it?

Seems like doom mongering all round

With the crowd numbers Hunslet get, they wouldn't have long
As for York,are the dual reg. players expected to win games on their own?, last time I looked Rugby League was a team sport,surely that's down to the recruitment of the players at York and not the dual reg. players.

[Marauder]

With the crowd numbers Hunslet get, they wouldn't have long
As for York,are the dual reg. players expected to win games on their own?, last time I looked Rugby League was a team sport,surely that's down to the recruitment of the players at York and not the dual reg. players.

Will the crowd numbers go up? what size crowds do the U20'S get and because every other club in super league are farming their U 20's out what will we have apart from an U20's league playing in the championship & championship1

[The Parksider]

As for York,are the dual reg. players expected to win games on their own?, last time I looked Rugby League was a team sport,surely that's down to the recruitment of the players at York and not the dual reg. players.

Well if the dual registration players don't add quality to the clubs they join such that they improve the team performances then the championship club ends up with nothing as we can see at York. Four dual reg players this year and still bottom of the pile.

If Leeds send four players a year to Hunslet in which the benefit to Leeds is those players getting some quality game time chasing shadows at Halifax, Leigh and Fev........

But in turn Hunslet don't get the benefit of those players improving the Hunslet league points total and we go down anyway, then it's all pretty much a short term flop,more so for Hunslet.

I'm interested in just what IS the point of this??

I'm interested as to what (to quote Honor) is so "exciting" about this??

Edited by The Parksider, 20 August 2012 - 03:14 PM.

[terrywebbisgod]

Will the crowd numbers go up? what size crowds do the U20'S get and because every other club in super league are farming their U 20's out what will we have apart from an U20's league playing in the championship & championship1

Is every u20 player being farmed out or will it be a set amount.Unless you know for sure at the moment that is an unanswerable question.

[terrywebbisgod]

Well if the dual registration players don't add quality to the clubs they join such that they improve the team performances then the championship club ends up with nothing as we can see at York. Four dual reg players this year and still bottom of the pile.

If Leeds send four players a year to Hunslet in which the benefit to Leeds is those players getting some quality game time chasing shadows at Halifax, Leigh and Fev........

But in turn Hunslet don't get the benefit of those players improving the Hunslet league points total and we go down anyway, then it's all pretty much a short term flop,more so for Hunslet.

I'm interested in just what IS the point of this??

I'm interested as to what (to quote Honor) is so "exciting" about this??

I'm sure the dual reg players do add quality but your inference that it is solely down to dual reg players being responsible for Yorks league position is childish at best.
The point of it is,as I have now pointed out to you on numerous posts is the sharing between Leeds and Hunslet of not only players but commercial and community resources too.
As you stated earlier you didn't know Hunslet had any marketing or commercial units,now they have a chance to use one of the best commercial operations in the sport,surely that is exciting for a club that is living hand to mouth.
As for the short term flop,having watched Hunslet this season,it can't get any worse than it already is on the field.

Edited by terrywebbisgod, 20 August 2012 - 03:23 PM.

[The Parksider]

Aitken said there's not issues between players moving from one club to the other. Blokes dont feel having their noses pushed out when replaced. At Newtown 45 players are listed. I dont think the Jets have other sides so if your not included may be you drop down to another local competition. He said the fans enjoyed seeing the star players running out in the clubs colours even if for a couple of weeks. Having better players in the competition lifts playing levels overall.

I get the impression there's no limit on numbers also - although you have to have played a number of games to qualify for the play offs. Newtown one of the great founder members (1908) are now resigned to their new status after being a top Winfield Cup side. But those days are now gone but still a place for them to contribute.

Sorry,not ignoring you, but the debate is moving on fast and furious!!

Is there a comparison between Newtown and York/Hunslet?

What league do Newtown play in? Is it one they can be relegated from? Do they run as a semi pro club?

Sorry for all the questons....

[Marauder]

Is every u20 player being farmed out or will it be a set amount.Unless you know for sure at the moment that is an unanswerable question.

It will be everyone that the super leagur club wants to retain.

[terrywebbisgod]

It will be everyone that the super leagur club wants to retain.

You haven't really answered my question have you.

[The Parksider]

1. I'm sure the dual reg players do add quality but your inference that it is solely down to dual reg players being responsible for Yorks league position is childish at best.

2. The point of it is,as I have now pointed out to you on numerous posts is the sharing between Leeds and Hunslet of not only players but commercial and community resources too.

3. As you stated earlier you didn't know Hunslet had any marketing or commercial units,now they have a chance to use one of the best commercial operations in the sport,surely that is exciting for a club that is living hand to mouth.

4. As for the short term flop,having watched Hunslet this season,it can't get any worse than it already is on the field.

1. Ouch!!! "Childish"?? please cut that out let's have a decent well mannered iscussion.

2/3. What do you mean by commercial and community resources - what is it Leeds are to give Hunslet in this area?? How are we to "use" Leeds commercial operations Terry???

4.No it can't get any worse, but as BH and others hope, the tie up needs to improve Hunslet's league position which is what this is about for Hunslet.

The hope is that in picking up Leeds players on dual registration those players can help the club rise above the relegation spots next year and in subsequent years.

If you think that is a "childish" hope then don't pin that label on me (in fact please don't pin it on anyone) because if you read my posts all I am saying is any tie up has to HELP save Hunslet from relegation other wise the whole thing falls apart by either the club leaving the RFL by going bust or by the club only being able to offer dual registration in the soon to be division 3.

[terrywebbisgod]

Hunslet can tap into experience in recruiting sponsors etc,Leeds also have a great community development team,going into schools and clubs and building partnerships with those schools and clubs,getting more people through the gates at games.The World club Challenge being a case in point,every player walked out with a mascot from either a school or a club from that partnership.I know Hunslet do very little in the community.Maybe that is why they have such a low turnout on match day.
I stated your inference that Yorks league position being down to the dual reg players was childish,not that you are.
Don't put words where they weren't.

[Gav Wilson]

Well if the dual registration players don't add quality to the clubs they join such that they improve the team performances then the championship club ends up with nothing as we can see at York. Four dual reg players this year and still bottom of the pile.

To be fair, if York had the same 4 lads on dual-reg week in week out this season, they probably wouldn't be bottom of the league.

York perhaps foolishly relied on dual-reg for a scrum half this season, resulting in Chris Thorman having no less than 9 (nine!) half back partners.

SL club recalls and injuries have ruined this season for York. I'd like to see them less reliant on it next year in such a prominent position.

[Marauder]

You haven't really answered my question have you.

Well I suppose the ones who make the grade at an early age will probably be playing at Leeds, the rest will be farmed out and monitored before they are either taken back into the fold or dropped.