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[terrywebbisgod]

Well I suppose the ones who make the grade at an early age will probably be playing at Leeds, the rest will be farmed out and monitored before they are either taken back into the fold or dropped.

The same as happens now then.

[Marauder]

The same as happens now then.

It's the scale it's going to be done on thats worrying, can you answer why the super league clubs dropped the U20's league

[terrywebbisgod]

It's the scale it's going to be done on thats worrying, can you answer why the super league clubs dropped the U20's league

Have they,has it been confirmed,at the moment it's all rumour.

[The Parksider]

1. Hunslet can tap into experience in recruiting sponsors etc,Leeds also have a great community development team,going into schools and clubs and building partnerships with those schools and clubs,getting more people through the gates at games.The World club Challenge being a case in point,every player walked out with a mascot from either a school or a club from that partnership.I know Hunslet do very little in the community.Maybe that is why they have such a low turnout on match day.

2. I stated your inference that Yorks league position being down to the dual reg players was childish,not that you are.
Don't put words where they weren't.

1. I'm not convinced - was that all in the press release? If there are sponsors to be had in Leeds why don't Leeds grab them? Why give them to Hunslet?? I wouldthink BH and HIST have chased every local business they can?

If going into schools helps clubs which south Leeds schools will Leeds players be asked to stay out of so Hunslet can get the benefit??

If there are fans to be won by community work around south Leeds why would Leeds leave Hunslet to go and win them???

I can see Leeds advising Whitehaven how to build their player/fan and sponsorship base but to advise Hunslet how to do this in Leeds would surely cost Leeds???

Is this reall part of the deal Terry?

2.I'll take that advice if you take my advice to perhaps not to use such words in the first place. It leads tomisunderstandings.

[terrywebbisgod]

1. I'm not convinced - was that all in the press release? If there are sponsors to be had in Leeds why don't Leeds grab them? Why give them to Hunslet?? I wouldthink BH and HIST have chased every local business they can?

If going into schools helps clubs which south Leeds schools will Leeds players be asked to stay out of so Hunslet can get the benefit??

If there are fans to be won by community work around south Leeds why would Leeds leave Hunslet to go and win them???

I can see Leeds advising Whitehaven how to build their player/fan and sponsorship base but to advise Hunslet how to do this in Leeds would surely cost Leeds???

Is this reall part of the deal Terry?

2.I'll take that advice if you take my advice to perhaps not to use such words in the first place. It leads tomisunderstandings.

I would imagine it is part of the deal.
If you want to question every little thing I suggest you contact both the Hunslet and Leeds clubs directly.

Edited by terrywebbisgod, 20 August 2012 - 04:03 PM.

[The Parksider]

To be fair, if York had the same 4 lads on dual-reg week in week out this season, they probably wouldn't be bottom of the league.

York perhaps foolishly relied on dual-reg for a scrum half this season, resulting in Chris Thorman having no less than 9 (nine!) half back partners.

SL club recalls and injuries have ruined this season for York. I'd like to see them less reliant on it next year in such a prominent position.

Thank you for your input Gav.

Do you believe that the dual registration lads in the right circumstanes can improve a championship club's league standing??

In the form that you have used dual registration was it of any advantage to you, or none at all because you seem to indicate the latter??

It seems to me there'sno point in being a patsy and allowing the Superleague club to send who they want when they want.

Maybe your experience was there was nothing "exciting" about the move, and i see nothing exciting in the Hunslet/Leeds proposal unless the agreement is such that it has a benefit to Hunslet............

[The Parksider]

1. I would imagine it is part of the deal.

2. If you want to question every little thing I suggest you contact both the Hunslet and Leeds clubs directly.

If your just speculating then OK, we'll leave it, you gave me the impression you felt there were some concrete advantages for Hunslet but if you don't know then fine. Thanks for the replies. We of course have Blackpool Hawk who may be able to comment better on the detail of the deal??

[Gav Wilson]

Thank you for your input Gav.

Do you believe that the dual registration lads in the right circumstanes can improve a championship club's league standing??

In the form that you have used dual registration was it of any advantage to you, or none at all because you seem to indicate the latter??

It seems to me there'sno point in being a patsy and allowing the Superleague club to send who they want when they want.

Maybe your experience was there was nothing "exciting" about the move, and i see nothing exciting in the Hunslet/Leeds proposal unless the agreement is such that it has a benefit to Hunslet............

Dual reg can be a good thing if used in the right way, but to be honest I didn't see anything wrong with month/season long loan deals. At least everybody knows where they are with a loan deal.

When York and Leeds had a partnership it was reasonably beneficial to both parties. Leeds gave us a full time Coach in Mick Cook as well as young players such as Peter Fox, Jason Golden & Austin Buchanan and in return they got Ian Kirke off us (whom was also training full time at Leeds while playing for York). Plus the obligatory annual pre-season friendly.

If Hunslet get something similar then I really don't see what they have to complain about... I also don't see why Gary Hetherington constantly gets labelled as the bad guy. He most certainly isn't.

[rhinobulldog1]

Yes they did, They allowed the club to operate out of Headingley and they played barrie Mcdermott a few times to help him get match fit after injury.

Of course it shows Mr.Hetherington to the forefront of such schemes.

I'd welcome Mr. Cliff "Bramley" Spracklens comments!

Regarding Hetherington, you can say that he is looking for benefits just for Leeds, but he is a good business man, that although has his critics, runs and has run one of the most successful clubs in the SL era and has also managed to balance havinga non-successful Leeds Rugby Union cub on the books also. If all clubs followed his example we may not see the issues with Bradford and in Wales. The partnership as mentioned allows Hunslet a number of benefits such as first access to potential young talent at Leeds that either come on loan or who may then become Hunslet players..... players that would come form other SL and Championship clubs either way. It also will hoepfully add some extra interest and fan base to the Hunslet team. Building a strong link with a SL club is no bad idea.

[Lobbygobbler]

Hunslet Hawks and Leeds Rhinos are pleased to announce a new working partnership that it is hoped will benefit both Clubs.

The partnership will include player exchange under the dual registration process but also see Leeds sharing best practice on a wide range of other strategies such as media and marketing.

Hunslet are currently under the control of the Hunslet Independent Supporters Trust (HIST) who are working hard to set the foundations for a long term financially viable business operating model.

The partnership will begin with immediate effect though player movement will not commence until the 2013 season.

Phil Daly
Media and PR Manager

Perhaps Leeds RL could use their professional "best practise" knowhow to help lobby the council to finally upgrade the Hunslet stadium to be SL standard? And that promotion to SL be more regular. A top class South Leeds outfit would see crowd increases at Headingly IMO

[Marauder]

Dual reg can be a good thing if used in the right way, but to be honest I didn't see anything wrong with month/season long loan deals. At least everybody knows where they are with a loan deal.

When York and Leeds had a partnership it was reasonably beneficial to both parties. Leeds gave us a full time Coach in Mick Cook as well as young players such as Peter Fox, Jason Golden & Austin Buchanan and in return they got Ian Kirke off us (whom was also training full time at Leeds while playing for York). Plus the obligatory annual pre-season friendly.

If Hunslet get something similar then I really don't see what they have to complain about... I also don't see why Gary Hetherington constantly gets labelled as the bad guy. He most certainly isn't.

Ask the players he froze out of the game before the bosman ruling,

[Marauder]

Regarding Hetherington, you can say that he is looking for benefits just for Leeds, but he is a good business man, that although has his critics, runs and has run one of the most successful clubs in the SL era and has also managed to balance havinga non-successful Leeds Rugby Union cub on the books also. If all clubs followed his example we may not see the issues with Bradford and in Wales. The partnership as mentioned allows Hunslet a number of benefits such as first access to potential young talent at Leeds that either come on loan or who may then become Hunslet players..... players that would come form other SL and Championship clubs either way. It also will hoepfully add some extra interest and fan base to the Hunslet team. Building a strong link with a SL club is no bad idea.

Leeds Tykes brought more into Headingley per season when in the premiership that what The Rhinos would have done if they had won every competition they entered and that came from Mr Caddick himself.

[Gav Wilson]

Ask the players he froze out of the game before the bosman ruling,

I'm alright, thanks.

[bowes]

I appreciate that James, they will do what a IST has to do to achieve their goal and that is seemingly preservation at the highest level they can.

Having lost their tie up with Leeds and then their place in the pro-ranks Bramley made a great fist of things outside of the pro ranks. However I'm not sure how they are going now though (anyone?)

So Hunslet giving up on their league status is certainly not an option now. They have to take the offer.

Doesn't stop me thinking the club won't be the same ever again, and one one level at least (independant professional RL club) it is probably the end....

Bramley were left without many players when the NCL moved to summer and were facing closure until they signed a deal and got fringe players from Hunslet

[southstand loiner]

as its leeds who wil be providing hunslet with players does that make leeds the feeder team for hunslet ?

the difference with the players leeds will be sending to hunslet is that they will be up and coming players instead of what hunslet have had in recent years namely players from the leeds academy who were not retained so the quality should improve .

i was chatting to a hunslet fan who lives up temple newsam as a number of them do and he recons there will be some kind of incentive ticket offered to leeds fans to go watch hunslet next season but with the balance been paid by leeds to bring it up to the regular admission price .
there are also several other commercial opatunites avalible for hunslet to benefit from the tieup with leeds not least on the partnership leeds have with the university

[Marauder]

I'm alright, thanks.

I'm on about good players not the ones who made the numbers up.

[Marauder]

Bramley were left without many players when the NCL moved to summer and were facing closure until they signed a deal and got fringe players from Hunslet

Only until the Pennine season starts

[Blind side johnny]

Next season isn't the point, it's more about how does this work long term.

We know by looking at past years that every year an SL club has an influx of a dozen or so into their player development system and every year the odd player ends up finishing with that system and stepping into the first team.

That means that every year there are Championship level players who will be rejected for an SL contract but will want a Championship contract.

Of course if all things were even (and you never know they may be in future) they may as well just accept a contract with their local feeder club they played at.

And so in 10 years time will Leeds be a team of leeds lads and will Hunslet also be a team of Leeds lads who joined leeds in the first place.

Is Hunslet to become efectively a team of Leeds players??

I share your concerns Parky, not just about Hunslet but also about many other smaller clubs.

Nobody seems to be linking up this move with the fact that there are proposals to scrap the SL academy games, which have been described as too uncompetitive for the development of SL players given the age limitations of the players involved. ideally these players will develop more progressively by playing in an open age competition whilst enjoying the benefits of SL coaching and training.

All fine and lovely for the SL clubs, coupled with the potential destruction of the heart and character of the remainder. Anyone who can't see this danger is either disingenuous or in denial.

[bowes]

Only until the Pennine season starts

Possibly though less of an overlap this end of the season, might lose the last fixture. Still not a viable option long term.

[rhinobulldog1]

Leeds Tykes brought more into Headingley per season when in the premiership that what The Rhinos would have done if they had won every competition they entered and that came from Mr Caddick himself.

I am not just talking about cash, we all know that the RFU have big deep pockets for their clubs and the money is there. All I was trying to point out is that the Hetherington has not just looked after one club, but has a number of areas to focus. Player management is also key to his success, he sells a good club story not just the dollars....that is where the Leeds Carnegie comment came from, Rhinos players would earn significantly more with the RFU than with the rhinos. What Rhinos bring is a following and a brand that builds the club long term, Leeds Carnegie depend on RFU handout not the 2,000 fans each week.