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[tim2]

It's not a reserve team if they're not there to draw players on. It would just be a separate winter side.

I think some clubs are trying it anyway.

[TaxiEgg]

Mr B the keyboard warrior reference was not directed at you but if you want the label well you can have it. I am not using the forum to point score , I am using this forum to raise a genuine concern and ask other people what they think like my good friend from OSA I thought that was what a forum was for ? And looking at the responses all sensible ones I might add it looks like other people are sharing my concerns. If you don't like it you could always lock the thread nudge nudge wink wink . 1-0 to me

[TaxiEgg]

Oops sorry fat fingers

Edited by TaxiEgg, 21 August 2012 - 10:12 AM.

[Marauder]

So your saying player availablity goes like this......"Soz coach, may not be available on Saturday, depending on what t'forecast says........if it's ###### though, count me in"

No what I'm saying is that more people will go out for the day if the sun is out.

If you have not noticed this summer has been very wet and on that assumption I'd have thought many more people would have stopped at home due to the weather.

If my assumption is correct and even with people not going away, the reported bar takings and player availability have been way down, so if the sunshines next year and more people go out for the day.........................Surely you get the drift by now!!!

[TaxiEgg]

Its a bit short sighted also to think so long as the First team squads are turning out a full team then it does not matter about the reserves.
That sort of theory also lends to the participation argument , the whole idea of switching to summer was to increase participation now it would appear in quite a few cases thats not the case.

The game can only be judged on how many are actually playing ,and in my opinion if you have lads who are not quite first team standard who want to play at the week end and turn up only to have their game cancelled due to lack of numbers on a regular basis then they to will give up the ghost or go and find a kick and clap club to get their rugby fix.

I,m not against playing in the summer months our mob have done it for years . But I am sick of the anti WINTER mob trying to make out our game was dying playing in the traditional season .
We have yet to fully appreciate the full effect of this switch in playing time , but if we evaluate it openly and honestly i think we will find it has major flaws and in many cases the damage will be irreparable .

[GeordieSaint]

That sort of theory also lends to the participation argument , the whole idea of switching to summer was to increase participation now it would appear in quite a few cases thats not the case.

What has the overall effect been? Have participation levels increased/decreased or is it too early to tell? Last I heard was the RFL starting participation levels have increased to a 100,000. I know this includes wheelchair RL, schoolboy RL etc as well.

[bowes]

What has the overall effect been? Have participation levels increased/decreased or is it too early to tell? Last I heard was the RFL starting participation levels have increased to a 100,000. I know this includes wheelchair RL, schoolboy RL etc as well.

Generally summer increases the total numbers but reduces the number of average game per player. As a general rule it balances out but probably helps that there's a merit league for clubs that can only sometimes field a 2nd/3rd team

[Marauder]

What has the overall effect been? Have participation levels increased/decreased or is it too early to tell? Last I heard was the RFL starting participation levels have increased to a 100,000. I know this includes wheelchair RL, schoolboy RL etc as well.

We all know those figures are manipulated unless 150,000 have been going to the coast.

[samsung]

It's not a reserve team if they're not there to draw players on. It would just be a separate winter side.

Perhaps we should call them "second teams" then! Or even better, "CLUB TEAMS". Our second team players are actually CLUB players - just like our first team players. And we would be able to draw on any of those players, whether they are in winter or summer.

[Marauder]

Perhaps we should call them "second teams" then! Or even better, "CLUB TEAMS". Our second team players are actually CLUB players - just like our first team players. And we would be able to draw on any of those players, whether they are in winter or summer.

We treat them all the same as well, saves divisions in the ranks.

[bowes]

Perhaps we should call them "second teams" then! Or even better, "CLUB TEAMS". Our second team players are actually CLUB players - just like our first team players. And we would be able to draw on any of those players, whether they are in winter or summer.

Would someone halfway through the off season play one first team game if called up? Seems doubtful

[TaxiEgg]

Perhaps we should call them "second teams" then! Or even better, "CLUB TEAMS". Our second team players are actually CLUB players - just like our first team players. And we would be able to draw on any of those players, whether they are in winter or summer.

Have your second team completed every game this summer season ?

The RFL told everybody that the Manchester Magic weekend was a massive success when clearly it was not, unless SKY hairbrushed out all the fans to create an two thirds empty stadium And where are the results of the summer survey if it was a resounding thumbs up how come we have not had them published ?
I want every section of the game to progress and prosper but is that the aims and objectives of everyone in the game ?

[Marauder]

Would someone halfway through the off season play one first team game if called up? Seems doubtful

Why lads have been going and playing the odd game in the summer for years, we've got a local lad who now lives in York and plays union calling over this Friday for a run out.

[EdinburghExile]

As has been said a zillion times, each club needs to do what works best for it, for some that'll be summer, for some winter, and for some both.

When we've actually had a full season and a bit of hindsight, that'll help.

Edited by EdinburghExile, 21 August 2012 - 05:17 PM.

[once a ref always a ref]

Mr B the keyboard warrior reference was not directed at you but if you want the label well you can have it. I am not using the forum to point score , I am using this forum to raise a genuine concern and ask other people what they think like my good friend from OSA I thought that was what a forum was for ? And looking at the responses all sensible ones I might add it looks like other people are sharing my concerns. If you don't like it you could always lock the thread nudge nudge wink wink . 1-0 to me

I have been against Summer Rugby from day one purely from a selfish point of view. I don't wish to come across as an irritant but I maintain that a discussion on here by a few people isn't going to make much difference to the 'controllers'

I won't lock thread so that makes it 1-1 .

[samsung]

Would someone halfway through the off season play one first team game if called up? Seems doubtful

With respect Bowes, considering you appear to know the game (but not the NCL!), the 'off' season you are referring to would actually be pre-season.

Edited by samsung, 21 August 2012 - 07:19 PM.

[TaxiEgg]

And your new pre-season will now be winter simples

[bowes]

With respect Bowes, considering you appear to know the game (but not the NCL!), the 'off' season you are referring to would actually be pre-season.

The thing is a player struggling at first team layer in June would have to wait til September for a game if dropped to reserves but a player from reserves could be called up in June or early July. I doubt reserve players would go for a 4 month pre season. There is a serious issue with the current reserve team league in Yorkshire that needs addressing urgently though.

Edited by bowes, 21 August 2012 - 08:12 PM.

[TaxiEgg]

That piece of work was as long ago as 1999. Does anyone have much more up to date stats ?

http://en.wikipedia...._sports_leagues

[l'angelo mysterioso]

The admin & concept has been in place for years all thats changed is the time of year they are playing and all the tweaking in the world will not get players/committee/supporters taking their holidays in the same couple of weeks in the summer and I'm sure that people will still be going to the coast and doing all the other things that they have always done if and when the sun is out.

I'd go as far as to say if the weather next summer is a lot better than this summer the player availability & crowds will go down even further.

let's face it there are people who don't want it to work
does nobody play sport in summer then?