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[thestatman]

Thatto Heath Crusaders 24-12 Leigh East

Heath add the CYL Trophy to the National Cup and 2011 CYL Championship. Some outstanding talents that will be playing a lot more NCL rugby very soon! Congratulations lads! With a bit of luck some teams may actually have the bottle to start turning up and play them in the league!

[Marauder]

Thatto Heath Crusaders 24-12 Leigh East

Heath add the CYL Trophy to the National Cup and 2011 CYL Championship. Some outstanding talents that will be playing a lot more NCL rugby very soon! Congratulations lads! With a bit of luck some teams may actually have the bottle to start turning up and play them in the league!

These statements tend to come round and bite back.

Ce message a été modifié par Marauder - 27 août 2012 - 03:40 .

[thestatman]

They've played 6 league games this season since March 11th, 2 of those results have been expunged! Only 2 sides have come to Close Street in the league so far this season, one of those was a very depleted Leigh Miners side that folded soon afterwards. The last league game they played was on 1st July. Hopefully they may start playing regularly now in the run in towards the playoffs but i'd be surprised!

[Marauder]

They've played 6 league games this season since March 11th, 2 of those results have been expunged! Only 2 sides have come to Close Street in the league so far this season, one of those was a very depleted Leigh Miners side that folded soon afterwards. The last league game they played was on 1st July. Hopefully they may start playing regularly now in the run in towards the playoffs but i'd be surprised!

Tell me in true honesty, did these problem exist in this capacity when you played under a BARLA controlled league in the winter?

Ce message a été modifié par Marauder - 27 août 2012 - 04:14 .

[LordCharles]

CYL is supposed to be the flagship competition at U18's, yet so far its produced a lack of games for teams involved, resulted in Leigh Miners U18's folding for the first time in their history and demonstrated its irrational thinking by making two Lancashire teams travel all the way to Stanningly to play in the Cup Final.

March - November season its the future.................................

Well its the future of demise at youth level if it continues when you take in to consideration how many teams have now folded in the North west so far this season from U16's through to U18's as a result of the new season, we are into double figures, but its nothing to do with the time of year we are now playing apparently.

I'll answer your question Marauder....................No, we, or anybody else ever experienced in a traditional season the issues currently killing the game at youth level within the new March - November season and we never lost more than a couple of teams in a season, so 10 plus teams being lost at youth level in the NW is pretty catastrophic!

But you might as well talk to the wall because all you'll get in return for opinion is, its the weather, give it time, a survey says, statistics suggest........................

On the other hand facts don't lie and 10 plus teams folding at youth level in the NW since March tells you it is not working and if the rumours are correct, which I sincerely hope they are not, then there will be more teams folding in the very near future in the NW.

I used to be of the opinion that it worked for some but not others, I am now just of the opinion its not working

Ce message a été modifié par LordCharles - 27 août 2012 - 05:28 .

[Marauder]

Part of the basic army training for Northern Ireland in the early/mid seventies was never be scared to back track if all the signs in front of you indicate you where patrolling into trouble/contact area.

Surely the people who are supposed to care about the game can see the problems in front of them, it's got nothing to do with the weather or how much the RFL are pumping into each individual league, it's obvious just by hearing what people are saying that the players/parents/supporters have other distraction during the summer months.

I suppose if you want to play in a stuttering summer competition after the RFL have taken all the elite players then it's fine, but to use as an example of a league where stuttering fixtures have been happening for years and where it is today, look at the CMS Yorkshire league "GONE"


But then the chosen elite clubs will say "I'm ok jack"

Ce message a été modifié par Marauder - 27 août 2012 - 05:50 .

[TaxiEgg]

For example take a look at the NYL final thread ,the Statman highlights the main problem lack of fixtures and that is at the RFL flagship youth league and it was not without problems last year when it was a pilot summer league.
What we need is for cubs to actually come off the fence and raise concerns.



And back to the rugby well done to Thatto Heath on retaining your trophy a great acheivemnt for the club and indeed the NW .
Lets just hope we have a league left for next year .

Ce message a été modifié par TaxiEgg - 27 août 2012 - 07:02 .

[LordCharles]

Whilst not officially confirmed by the NWC yet, I hear that another U16's team from a very strong Community club has folded over the last 24 hours due to the number of players that have left the team over the last 2 - 3 months and are not going to be returning to finish the season from September onwards.

[Sam Armstrong]

Never ceases to amaze me how everyone seems to contact you just to tell you they're folding but don't seem to tell the NW Youth League the same ..... bit of scaremongering again in preparation for your upcoming BARLA Winter League meeting perhaps??

It was also pointed out to you exactly why teams had folded and in several cases this had nothing whatsoever to do with the reasons you tried to imply. Of course, on here, you have a whole new audience who aren't necessarily aware of the facts rather than those who were present at the meeting.

[Marauder]

The Winter based leagues in Yorkshire seem to be doing OK under BARLA

[Marauder]

Never ceases to amaze me how everyone seems to contact you just to tell you they're folding but don't seem to tell the NW Youth League the same ..... bit of scaremongering again in preparation for your upcoming BARLA Winter League meeting perhaps??

It was also pointed out to you exactly why teams had folded and in several cases this had nothing whatsoever to do with the reasons you tried to imply. Of course, on here, you have a whole new audience who aren't necessarily aware of the facts rather than those who were present at the meeting.

Out of curiosity why do junior teams fold?

[clowesey]

Out of curiosity why do junior teams fold?

Well despite what Lord Charles would have you believe in this and other posts, it's not always because of lack of players or superteam building caused by 13-15 transfer dealings.

At 16s three teams have folded because of internal club issues (and that included two from one club after a breakaway was formed - neither survived). One never made the start of the season after transfers to another local club. The latter club has now also folded but because of the lack of interest after players on scholarship were released back to their community clubs and didn't want to carry (that's a different debate all together).

As of 5 minutes ago the league had nothing to confirm about another team folding because there is nothing to confirm.

[Marauder]

Well despite what Lord Charles would have you believe in this and other posts, it's not always because of lack of players or superteam building caused by 13-15 transfer dealings.

At 16s three teams have folded because of internal club issues (and that included two from one club after a breakaway was formed - neither survived). One never made the start of the season after transfers to another local club. The latter club has now also folded but because of the lack of interest after players on scholarship were released back to their community clubs and didn't want to carry (that's a different debate all together).

As of 5 minutes ago the league had nothing to confirm about another team folding because there is nothing to confirm.

Didn't BARLA rules prevent breakaways and elite team building, If I had been playing at a club all season then elite players had been released back for my nose to be pushed out then I would probably go and play the national sport.

These problems that are starting to show their ugly heads seem to be going hand in hand with the shift towards policies that help the RFL to implement their pyramids and it seems to me that the clubs who are benifiting are the ones who have the people in place on the governing committees.

[GeordieSaint]

The latter club has now also folded but because of the lack of interest after players on scholarship were released back to their community clubs and didn't want to carry (that's a different debate all together).

Is there an option to develop the elite player pathway from schools rugby rather than the community game? Schools rugby has been a massive success over recent years. Would utilisation of 'town' school teams be a viable option to reduce the burden on the community game?

[clowesey]

Didn't BARLA rules prevent breakaways and elite team building, If I had been playing at a club all season then elite players had been released back for my nose to be pushed out then I would probably go and play the national sport.

These problems that are starting to show their ugly heads seem to be going hand in hand with the shift towards policies that help the RFL to implement their pyramids and it seems to me that the clubs who are benifiting are the ones who have the people in place on the governing committees.

It's not the players who were left who quit - it's those released by the pro clubs who didn't want to carry on as far as I understood from the mail I had. Like I said - that's a whole new argument on scholarships etc which, quite frankly, I don't feel like getting involved in.

The 'breakaway' was a damn site more complicated than just being that - the kids have suffered because of issues with the host club and their coaches.

[clowesey]

Is there an option to develop the elite player pathway from schools rugby rather than the community game? Schools rugby has been a massive success over recent years. Would utilisation of 'town' school teams be a viable option to reduce the burden on the community game?

Not really - most of the school teams are made up of those who already play in Community Clubs. It should be the other way - start scholarships later, not sooner

Ce message a été modifié par clowesey - 29 août 2012 - 09:23 .

[Marauder]

Is there an option to develop the elite player pathway from schools rugby rather than the community game? Schools rugby has been a massive success over recent years. Would utilisation of 'town' school teams be a viable option to reduce the burden on the community game?

That would be a brilliant idea but it would depend on the demand on the kids, we've kids who are being told not to play at their community clubs by the pro clubs.

[Marauder]

It's not the players who were left who quit - it's those released by the pro clubs who didn't want to carry on as far as I understood from the mail I had. Like I said - that's a whole new argument on scholarships etc which, quite frankly, I don't feel like getting involved in.

The 'breakaway' was a damn site more complicated than just being that - the kids have suffered because of issues with the host club and their coaches.

It seems and sounds like an echo but scholarship coaches have been telling players not to go back to their community clubs.

[LordCharles]

Never ceases to amaze me how everyone seems to contact you just to tell you they're folding but don't seem to tell the NW Youth League the same ..... bit of scaremongering again in preparation for your upcoming BARLA Winter League meeting perhaps??

It was also pointed out to you exactly why teams had folded and in several cases this had nothing whatsoever to do with the reasons you tried to imply. Of course, on here, you have a whole new audience who aren't necessarily aware of the facts rather than those who were present at the meeting.

Lets just wait for it to become official then and you can retract the above.

Also, whilst 2 or 3 teams did fold for the reasons you state the other 7 or 8 within the now 16's - 18's, soon to be 8 or 9, did'nt and were a direct result of the new playing season or very relaxed transfer rules in which you had a significant role at 13's - 15's.

Anyway, when it is official you can go and tell their coach its nothing to do with how you handled the transfers out from them during the time they spent at 13's - 15's or the new March - November season, I'm sure he will appreciate that after all the effort he and the club he is part of has put in over the years.

[TaxiEgg]

This is apparently what has been said at one leading pro club to its scholars . Go back to your community club and finish your season because that is the agreement, BUT be aware that the pre season training will be very intense and you may fall behind in preperation.

So put yourself in the kids shoes how would you read into that message ?