36 replies to this topic

[chuffer]

....kick out people who are paying to be here?.....:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...cation-19419395

yeh that'll learn em.....

[JohnM]

I trust it will teach all Universities that are allowed to authorise visas that they have to abide by the rules These students may be paying to be here now but given
More than a quarter of the 101 students sampled were studying at the university when they had no leave to remain in this country
Some 20 of 50 checked files found "no proper evidence" that the students' mandatory English levels had been reached
And some 142 of 250 (57%) sampled records had attendance monitoring issues, which meant it was impossible for the university to know whether students were turning up for classes or not
It might be us that end up paying in the long run

I reckon all Unis will now be scurrying round getting their houses in order.

[Wolford6]

The University of Wales had effectively approved other "colleges" to conduct courses for immigrants. Some of these "colleges" were just fronts to enable illegal immigrants into the country and then sell them bogus qualifications. The qualifications enabled the immigrants to enrol for post-graduate degrees at the UOW and simultaneously get a two-year work permit.

http://www.walesonli...91466-29539240/

Needless to say, Bradford has several independent "colleges" for immigrants. The ones I've seen seem to be set in some very unlikely locations ... upstairs in warehouses and factories etc.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

and we're off

[chuffer]

I think this was a potentially costly move on our part.....and a lazy one too.....

[Northern Sol]

_{I have no sympathy for the university but plenty for the students (or at least those genuine ones).}

[Northern Sol]

I think this was a potentially costly move on our part.....and a lazy one too.....

Badly handled I'd say. There was no need to cancel the visas of those already here.

[dhw]

and we're off

What do you mean?

[JohnM]

and we're off

I know what you mean.

It should be noted that "A task force has been set up to help students affected by the decision"

and

"The government says it wants to assess how many students will be successfully reallocated to alternative institutions before the UKBA sends out notices giving them 60 days to leave."

Edited by JohnM, 31 August 2012 - 01:05 PM.

[Severus]

I don't know the ins and outs of the London Met situation but they must have been pretty stupid to not get their house in order once they were given the warning. FYI all universities have to provide the government with records of attendance and engagement with course assessment. At my place we take a register at every class to record the attendance and the assessment is either submitted to a central receipting office or online. For each student that has unsatisfactory attendance or is a 'non submitter' (a student who fails a unit and does not sit the final exam), the university is fined £10k. So without knowing the details, London Met seem incompetent.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

What do you mean?

you're new here aren't you?

[chuffer]

There was no need to cancel the visas of those already here.

Exactly.....or punish the "legit" students (assuming of course that legit = impeccible attendance history).....way to scare off would-be foreign students with cash on the hip

[longboard]

The University of Wales had effectively approved other "colleges" to conduct courses for immigrants. Some of these "colleges" were just fronts to enable illegal immigrants into the country and then sell them bogus qualifications. The qualifications enabled the immigrants to enrol for post-graduate degrees at the UOW and simultaneously get a two-year work permit.

http://www.walesonli...91466-29539240/

Needless to say, Bradford has several independent "colleges" for immigrants. The ones I've seen seem to be set in some very unlikely locations ... upstairs in warehouses and factories etc.

There has been some pretty blatant fraud around this, which the Border Agency has been working on and some other dodges I've been told about by BA staff. They are not the most efficient organisation and they are slow, but they are not helped by the many changes to the regulations over the years.

What are the names of these colleges in Bradford?

[GeordieSaint]

At my place we take a register at every class to record the attendance and the assessment is either submitted to a central receipting office or online.

Is that for all students? My attendance rate would have been less than 50% at uni; I only did 7hrs a week too...

[chuffer]

Is that for all students? My attendance rate would have been less than 50% at uni; I only did 7hrs a week too...

My attendance was similar......as was the lecturers' attention to taking register......this was about 12yrs ago tho

Edited by chuffer, 31 August 2012 - 10:48 PM.

[Severus]

Is that for all students? My attendance rate would have been less than 50% at uni; I only did 7hrs a week too...

Maths students at our place have 12 hours of contact time a week (down from 18 in my day ) and any student below the 80% threshold is considered at risk. Average attendance across the board is around 70%. Maths is different from other subjects in that if a student misses a couple of sessions it is very difficult to catch up due to the hierarchical nature of the subject.

Any student who misses a couple of weeks of classes (without good reason) will be asked to come and speak to their personal tutor. This is primarily a pastoral measure and not necessarily a disciplinary one. If the absence continues then the year tutor can withdraw the student from the course. This is usually done by the 1st Decemer since that is the cutoff date for when the student is not liable for the course fees.

[Northern Sol]

It was much like that at the job that I've just left. 80% attendance was a requirement to "graduate" and those on tier 4 student visas probably wouldn't get another visa if they played the system and failed to attend enough classes (also seemed to be 80%). Even if the company I worked for was generally badly run, they were very aware of their responsibilities as an HTS.

[Bulletproof]

The University is entirely at fault. And the government has set up a task force to handle the affected students.

The problem is a lot of them weren't actually attending any classes. It's all a bit of a swindle and the university knew it. It significantly persistantly under performed, did not adher to any of the strict rules it had been set and has itself to blame for this entire issue. Yes, decent real students will be affected, but there's not all that much we can do at this point in time but put our trust in the task force designed to help them. The school has to go.

[T-Dub]

One less loophole to stop this country and its decent citizens being exploited is a good thing.
Typically, there are always those who say its a bad thing

[Northern Sol]

One less loophole to stop this country and its decent citizens being exploited is a good thing.
Typically, there are always those who say its a bad thing

It's not that the government shouldn't have done this but they shouldn't have done it in this way.

Cameron's government are pretty flat footed in the way that they act on "international issues". Once again we look bad in the eyes of the rest of the world.