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[Marauder]

Your no numpty Taxi Egg ....... Why not ask David Gent ?

For my part I suspect its maybe to show that overall governance of the game lies with the RFL . From that flows all sorts of opportunities , especially from a funding point of view ( both public and commercial ) . with the ' summer ' season being a particularly big selling point .

And as for those Leagues and Associations who have signed up I have yet to hear of any complaints of interference from above in the actual management of their affairs .

After all we both know that at these levels you govern with the consent of the bulk of your clubs or not at all.... something I feel the RFL are getting to understand much better now than in the bad old days.....

I suppose that says it all then and Wigan St Pats or Milford Marlins would look nice on the side of a Stobart trailer and for public funding you didn't have to sign a MOU.

[del capo]

I suppose that says it all then and Wigan St Pats or Milford Marlins would look nice on the side of a Stobart trailer and for public funding you didn't have to sign a MOU.

The penny will never drop for some folks....

ACTUAL governance of the game was ceded by BARLA to the RFL years ago . BARLA retained its sovereignty ( whatever that means ) took four seats on the RFL Council and the hierarchy still receive , inter alia , free passes to any games they want to watch under RFL control , including the Royal Box at Wembley.

Not pleasant reading to some on here maybe , but refusing to recognise reality can sometimes make a person look like a ' flat earther '. No one is going to be able to turn back the tide, but you can certainly try your best to channel the direction the waters travel and even throw up the occasional dam if need be.....

[TaxiEgg]

Your no numpty Taxi Egg ....... Why not ask David Gent ?

For my part I suspect its maybe to show that overall governance of the game lies with the RFL . From that flows all sorts of opportunities , especially from a funding point of view ( both public and commercial ) . with the ' summer ' season being a particularly big selling point .

And as for those Leagues and Associations who have signed up I have yet to hear of any complaints of interference from above in the actual management of their affairs .

After all we both know that at these levels you govern with the consent of the bulk of your clubs or not at all.... something I feel the RFL are getting to understand much better now than in the bad old days.....

Governance Peter is that not what the Genesis agreement was ?

We all accept that the RFL are the govering body I do not have a problem working with the RFL , but I like many others work for the clubs we represent there is a differance as you know .

The Barla ethos is or at least it used to be ,Rugby for All my biggest concern is the RFL or individual departments priorotise the elite over anything else which this first season playing calender highlights.

Its simple for me players want to play week in week out when the weather dictates thats how we promote the game thats not been the case this summer under the RFL governance well at least for the majority of our young players .
I was speaking to an open age coach the other night who told me that his side had played on average 1 game a month. Now i am still young enough to remember the aches and pains after a game when I had not played for a while ,the rugby players amongst us will know what I am talking about your body needs regular punishment to become battle hardened playing once a month does not lend to that.

The point i am making Peter its " horses for courses" and a lot of the RFL people dont understand the amatuer game.

I speak to a lot of people within the game across all divides and just because they dont use internet forums to express their views let me tell you or anyone who wants to listen we have a lot of disalusioned people out there myself included.

[samsung]

just as a matter of interest, what is the avarage age of the ncl committee?

How old would you like them to be????

[TaxiEgg]

The penny will never drop for some folks....

ACTUAL governance of the game was ceded by BARLA to the RFL years ago . BARLA retained its sovereignty ( whatever that means ) took four seats on the RFL Council and the hierarchy still receive , inter alia , free passes to any games they want to watch under RFL control , including the Royal Box at Wembley.

Not pleasant reading to some on here maybe , but refusing to recognise reality can sometimes make a person look like a ' flat earther '. No one is going to be able to turn back the tide, but you can certainly try your best to channel the direction the waters travel and even throw up the occasional dam if need be.....

Dont know how you managed to insert that above my post you crafty sod but just goes to show there is life left in the old dog yet. But your right its time for forward thinking but burying and forgetting the past could be costly if we repeat the same mistakes .

[sbull]

How old would you like them to be????

i wouldnt mind seeing the odd player are two on their.

Edited by sbull, 07 September 2012 - 02:32 PM.

[sbull]

Nothing to do with RFL sbull.

If you are on a member club committee just ask your secretary. He will tell you how policy changes can be made.

Otherwise if you just want to find out how things work please go to the NCL website. There's actually a lot of good stuff on there.

Go to the downloads and then you need to look at the constitution

.The sort of vote you are asking about can be done at an SGM with 30% member support , spelling out the motion requested. Or by two members at an AGM , again with a specific motion to debate and if necessary vote upon.

Check out Appendix 13 of the operational rules as well

Hope that helps......

So the RFL have no say then, i suppose i will have to take your word on that, cant really see the point in the MOU then, they seem to be making a few demands in that.

was their 30% support for the push for a Vote to go summer before the NCL committee decided to STRONGLY recommend to its members to vote summer ?

yes your advise was rally hepfull

Edited by sbull, 07 September 2012 - 02:32 PM.

[sbull]

About the same as most club and regional league committees ( the youths apart perhaps ) at a guess !!

On a serious note volunteer succession planning ( sic ) is one of the biggest problems facing the amateur game.

Do you want another job.? Are you young enough ?

i dont wont anothwer job, but i think someone should give the committee a lift, they are clearly overworked because if they were thinking straight im sure they wouldnt have made the mistake of scheduling games in on challenge cup weekend,

[Marauder]

So the RFL have no say then, i suppose i will have to take your word on that, cant really see the point in the MOU then, they seem to be making a few demands in that.

was their a 30% support for the push for a Vote to go summer before the NCL committee decided to STRONGLY recommend to its members to vote summer ?

yes your advise was rally hepfull

Something you know that others don't (30%)? or are you saying that it was the NCL committee that made the suggestion to go summer to the clubs and not the clubs who asked to switch to summer?

[sbull]

Something you know that others don't (30%)? or are you saying that it was the NCL committee that made the suggestion to go summer to the clubs and not the clubs who asked to switch to summer?

the NCL committee Strongly recomended that the clubs Vote for Summer i believe prior to the vote, i didnt here anything about 30% of the clubs asking for a vote to take place, do you not remember the online proper gander they sent out showing ladies coming off the pitch full of mud, it was so one sided it was hilarious.

does anyone on here know if there club asked to go summer?

[samsung]

i wouldnt mind seeing the odd player are two on their.

They have the option - every year - of getting their club to nominate them - and it is, after all, the CLUBS that vote people on the committee. Normally players just want to turn up and play, and let other people (mugs though they often are!!) do everything else.

[Marauder]

the NCL committee Strongly recomended that the clubs Vote for Summer i believe prior to the vote, i didnt here anything about 30% of the clubs asking for a vote to take place, do you not remember the online proper gander they sent out showing ladies coming off the pitch full of mud, it was so one sided it was hilarious.

does anyone on here know if there club asked to go summer?

I think I see where you're coming from and it also puts into place where and why certain TotalRL members are coming from if true!

It also seems to be the same people in positions of power within their leagues that took their leagues away from BARLA that fully support the switch to summer and have signed the MOU, Is it also a coincident that all the rumblings started around the same time that the RFL decided they wanted control of the amateur game again.

[sbull]

They have the option - every year - of getting their club to nominate them - and it is, after all, the CLUBS that vote people on the committee. Normally players just want to turn up and play, and let other people (mugs though they often are!!) do everything else.

going off the past few month the amount of games being called off it seams they dont even want to turn up and play anymore, dont no whats changed do you !!!!!!!!!

[sbull]

I think I see where you're coming from and it also puts into place where and why certain TotalRL members are coming from if true!

It also seems to be the same people in positions of power within their leagues that took their leagues away from BARLA that fully support the switch to summer and have signed the MOU, Is it also a coincident that all the rumblings started around the same time that the RFL decided they wanted control of the amateur game again.

once the money for improving the pitches and helping with tranport cost was mentioned, it was a no brainer, it was obvious the switch would be shoved through,

no body seems interested in the amount of A teams games being called off and some teams having to use 16 year olds to fulfill fixtures, not be long before a young Kid brave as they may be gets seriously injured

[Marauder]

once the money for improving the pitches and helping with tranport cost was mentioned, it was a no brainer, it was obvious the switch would be shoved through,

no body seems interested in the amount of A teams games being called off and some teams having to use 16 year olds to fulfill fixtures, not be long before a young Kid brave as they may be gets seriously injured

Hitler put the kids on the front line at the end of the second world war as well.

[del capo]

I think I see where you're coming from and it also puts into place where and why certain TotalRL members are coming from if true!

It also seems to be the same people in positions of power within their leagues that took their leagues away from BARLA that fully support the switch to summer and have signed the MOU, Is it also a coincident that all the rumblings started around the same time that the RFL decided they wanted control of the amateur game again.

Your conspiracy theories are now really hitting an all time high Marauder.....

A few points-

Most of the Leagues ( the ones that play ) you refer to actually moved away from Barla years ago , for differing reasons but in most cases keeping associate status . Nothing to do with the RFL.

Most such Leagues , including the NCL empower their Managements to bring issues to special meetings without motions - yes they listen and bring really important matters to debate without percentages for or otherwise.... That 30% is if clubs want a motion of their own volition..........Again its simple constitution if anyone bothers to read...

NCL did just that. Please do not underestimate , or in fact seek to belittle the NCL delegates. They are seriously heavy hitters who know their own and club's views and probably between them are the real controllers of the top end Open Age.......democratic one vote per club ( something Barla have always rejected. )

They were asked to vote by ballot on the move to summer......28 - 10 in favour....

I can't speak for how other Leagues approached the topic....maybe ask them on their forums......

As the debate on the switch moved forward , the NCL sought and achieved gains on issues such as travel grants , referee standards and payments , coaching seminars , pitch remediations etc...

I prefer to call it hard won progress ........ I have no doubt that wearing your Inquisitor's Mask you will call it something else......

[Marauder]

Your conspiracy theories are now really hitting an all time high Marauder.....

A few points-

Most of the Leagues ( the ones that play ) you refer to actually moved away from Barla years ago , for differing reasons but in most cases keeping associate status . Nothing to do with the RFL.

Most such Leagues , including the NCL empower their Managements to bring issues to special meetings without motions - yes they listen and bring really important matters to debate without percentages for or otherwise.... That 30% is if clubs want a motion of their own volition..........Again its simple constitution if anyone bothers to read...

NCL did just that. Please do not underestimate , or in fact seek to belittle the NCL delegates. They are seriously heavy hitters who know their own and club's views and probably between them are the real controllers of the top end Open Age.......democratic one vote per club ( something Barla have always rejected. )

They were asked to vote by ballot on the move to summer......28 - 10 in favour....

I can't speak for how other Leagues approached the topic....maybe ask them on their forums......

As the debate on the switch moved forward , the NCL sought and achieved gains on issues such as travel grants , referee standards and payments , coaching seminars , pitch remediations etc...

I prefer to call it hard won progress ........ I have no doubt that wearing your Inquisitor's Mask you will call it something else......

Answer one question straight and truthful, did you or any other member of the NCL committee including the 3 RFL ever go canvassing the NCL clubs for summer rugby?

[del capo]

Answer one question straight and truthful, did you or any other member of the NCL committee including the 3 RFL ever go canvassing the NCL clubs for summer rugby?

There's not an NCL club out there that's ever had a phone call , visit or otherwise off me on the subject. As far as I'm concerned they all have minds of their own , and they had time and space to use them before they voted....

[TaxiEgg]

There's not an NCL club out there that's ever had a phone call , visit or otherwise off me on the subject. As far as I'm concerned they all have minds of their own , and they had time and space to use them before they voted....

Just a pity Peter some of the NCL clubs are not affording the same to their members by dictatating to their coaches what playing season is the best for them without giving them the benefit of a democratic opinion .

Not just Barla then ?

Edited by TaxiEgg, 08 September 2012 - 11:26 AM.

[Marauder]

There's not an NCL club out there that's ever had a phone call , visit or otherwise off me on the subject. As far as I'm concerned they all have minds of their own , and they had time and space to use them before they voted....

So I can happily divorce YOU but what about your brothers in arms and the three wise monkeys?