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[bowes]

i thougth the idea to go summer was to improve standerds, if the NCL sides have no reliable A teams to fall back on who are playing at a high standard how are they expected to improve standards?


im not saying have an annual vote, i think their is enough concern with the drop in player and spectator participation to open the debate and ask the members what they think,

ive notice you havnt answered a nr of my questions which of course is your choice but your silence is deafining, i will post them again so you know which ones i mean,

some poeple on here might be of the impression that the NCL committee pushed this through and strongly recommend to its members that they have done some resarch and we think you should vote summer, (is there any truth in this) ?

and the money that was being thrown about had nothing to do with the NCL strongly recomending its members vote for the switch !!!,

its also been stated that the NCL are committed to the switch for three years, is there any truth in this and was this mentioned prior to the vote?

The NCL committee supported summer that much is true, even before any talk of money. However, they realised the RFL wanted them to vote so were happy to get what they could out of them (ie money). The NCL voted to switch to summer full stop IMO, the Cumberland League voted to switch for 3 years before deciding.

A teams is nothing to do with summer, it is a problem pre-existing in winter exacerbated by the careless discarding of registration rules. In Yorkshire it is made much worse by an appalling Yorkshire Men's League.

[sbull]

8 out of 10 24-0s were conceded by A teams.

The other 2 were Chester and Bolton who probably conceded more in winter.

cant see your point here, 8,X 24 0 from NCL clubs thats 16 teams who didnt get a run out and the situation will only get worse, how long do you think these lads will keep turning up if they dont get regular rugby? out of the 272 players needed to fill these game you can garantee that at least 150 to 200 turned up for a game and went home disapointed,


lets look beyond the 1st team, whats your massage for the 150 to 200 lads who went home dissapointed from the NCL alone without a game?

i agree games get called off in winter but not to this extent

[bowes]

cant see your point here, 8,X 24 0 from NCL clubs thats 16 teams who didnt get a run out and the situation will only get worse, how long do you think these lads will keep turning up if they dont get regular rugby? out of the 272 players needed to fill these game you can garantee that at least 150 to 200 turned up for a game and went home disapointed,


lets look beyond the 1st team, whats your massage for the 150 to 200 lads who went home dissapointed from the NCL alone without a game?

i agree games get called off in winter but not to this extent

Given how much the smaller clubs have strengthened this season I expect many have gone there.

Again it is NOTHING to do with summer. If you'd allowed unlimited first team players in the reserves in winter then the exact same thing would have happened. Every first team above division 5 fulfilled their fixture at the weekend

Edited by bowes, 10 September 2012 - 08:14 PM.

[bowes]

PS the 10 games last weekend were called off DURING THE WINTER SEASON

5 out of 7 NWCL games were called off. Castleford Panthers A called off in the Pennine League.

Edited by bowes, 10 September 2012 - 08:38 PM.

[Marauder]

PS the 10 games last weekend were called off DURING THE WINTER SEASON

5 out of 7 NWCL games were called off. Castleford Panthers A called off in the Pennine League.

Did Cas Panthers `A` team players have to fill in with the 1st team?

[LordCharles]

All these games being called off for whatever reasons certainly makes you wonder about the great "increased participation" debate.

If participation has increased significantly and you believe all that is written or said then we should see more new teams and more games being played should we not?

At present its the complete opposite from U16's through to Open Age

Edited by LordCharles, 10 September 2012 - 09:10 PM.

[bowes]

Did Cas Panthers `A` team players have to fill in with the 1st team?

It's the same problem of all A teams probably. But also having a first and second team in different seasons makes things harder as they will be expected to use first team players December to February and it is doubtful any legitimate reserve players will want a season of September to November then March to May with a 3 month midseason break. It will be Bramley and Kippax in reverse

[TaxiEgg]

PS the 10 games last weekend were called off DURING THE WINTER SEASON

5 out of 7 NWCL games were called off. Castleford Panthers A called off in the Pennine League.

Bowes come on mate that post has no credability what so ever, answer the question why have so many games been called off this summer season March to November .We have all been told its a summer season so dont now say its winter , I will answer the question for you if your finding it difficult. The players have voted with their feet and stopped turning up pure and simple .

[gillmeister]

All these games being called off for whatever reasons certainly makes you wonder about the great "increased participation" debate.

If participation has increased significantly and you believe all that is written or said then we should see more new teams and more games being played should we not?

At present its the complete opposite from U16's through to Open Age

Isnt Sport England money being cut because we have reported a drop in participation? Over the years how many players have been lost to injury for long periods/permanently - Is amateur rugby league to tough?

[TaxiEgg]

Its not too tough , the game is being over regulated and meddled with and people are becoming apathetic to the sport .

[bowes]

Bowes come on mate that post has no credability what so ever, answer the question why have so many games been called off this summer season March to November .We have all been told its a summer season so dont now say its winter , I will answer the question for you if your finding it difficult. The players have voted with their feet and stopped turning up pure and simple .

The games were called off in September which was during the winter season so nothing to do with summer.

If it is to do with summer how do you explain the growth at small and medum sized clubs in the NW Men's League, the fact that the NW Counties League is small and very few clubs can raise a team and the fact that only reserve teams are calling off games?

Why have none of the players supposedly voting with their feet found their way to winter clubs?

Edited by bowes, 10 September 2012 - 09:45 PM.

[LordCharles]

Isnt Sport England money being cut because we have reported a drop in participation? Over the years how many players have been lost to injury for long periods/permanently - Is amateur rugby league to tough?

Its part of what makes our sport what it is and quite frankly as a player the harder it was the more I enjoyed it, I just wish I could roll the years back because without doubt some of the best times I ever had were on and off the pitch with a great set of lads, particularly after a really tough, hard, physical game.

I think that sets us apart as a sport, especially when you give and earn mutual respect for and from your opposition over 80 minutes and you can walk off the field with no animosity (Well more often than not ) and buy one another a pint.

Yes the demands are there in respect of training and dedication, whilst in full time employment and attempting to balance it all with family life, but like all sports those who genuinely want to play at a particular level find that balance., however its probably easier to find that balance at OA level from Sept - May rather than March - November

Injuries occur in all sports, RL is no different and most players accept it is part of the sport.

As regards increased participation, that was supposed to be one of the major selling points of a March - November season, clearly not the case though is it?

Edited by LordCharles, 10 September 2012 - 10:31 PM.

[GeordieSaint]

As regards increased participation, that was supposed to be one of the major selling points of a March - November season, clearly not the case though is it?

Can you back that claim up with any stats? I am not claiming you are wrong but it is a bold statement. How does Sport England define participation? Is it playing the game every week, once a month or participating in a RL event such as training for example? By all accounts, actually playing numbers every week may have decreased but playing numbers per month may have gone up and/or numbers at training increased perhaps?

[Marauder]

Its not too tough , the game is being over regulated and meddled with and people are becoming apathetic to the sport .

I think the people at the top (RFL) Don't have a clue about players and committee members who have to juggle playing, work and family life, it's bad enough doing it when it's cold, wet and freezing never mind in the sunshine, coast, family BBQ, Holidays and any other distraction the summer brings along.

[chinaman]

Well I reckon old Bowes and some flat landers from west of the Pennines are blinkered and deluded and need to wake up and smell the roses!
Marauder is fighting a great battle and Taxi Egg is quite correct even outside Gods own county people are unhappy with summer rugby and the problems of raising teams, lack of income, the quality of the product and administration ( no need for mid week games in Summer..... cobblers!).
As to the RL and the fat controller and their connection to our top amateur game they are beyond belief with Bradford a fiasco and now salford and Hull KR on the brink do we want to be tied to their coatails???
I have first fallen out with not so Super League some years ago and more recently with Championship rugby and don`t even get chance to watch it on Sky as its now an extra with some outfit called Premier sports. Once Ryder cup over will be thinking hard about Sky subscription rip off monopoly.
Only watched a handful of Siddal summer games due to other commitments and used to go home and away and enjoy a good social before and after the game.
Changes are not always for the best, why spoil what was the best amateur league in the game.

Edited by chinaman, 11 September 2012 - 12:23 PM.

[sbull]

The NCL committee supported summer that much is true, even before any talk of money. However, they realised the RFL wanted them to vote so were happy to get what they could out of them (ie money). The NCL voted to switch to summer full stop IMO, the Cumberland League voted to switch for 3 years before deciding.

A teams is nothing to do with summer, it is a problem pre-existing in winter exacerbated by the careless discarding of registration rules. In Yorkshire it is made much worse by an appalling Yorkshire Men's League.

im not having the NCL committee just woke up one day and said lets get our members to Vote for summer rugby,

the direction must of come from the RFL,


and half the A team players are filling in for the first team due to summer commitments, any games called off now is a direct result of the backlash from the summer were players have voted with their feet,

this shouldnt come to much of a suprise it was well documated this would happen.

[bowes]

im not having the NCL committee just woke up one day and said lets get our members to Vote for summer rugby,

the direction must of come from the RFL,


and half the A team players are filling in for the first team due to summer commitments, any games called off now is a direct result of the backlash from the summer were players have voted with their feet,

this shouldnt come to much of a suprise it was well documated this would happen.

The NCL trialled summer in 2009. The RFL may have suggested it but 2 bad summers and the NCL getting fed up of BARLA. With no money on the cards there was one vote between summer and winter but with large numbers of abstentions.

Again if summer were the cause why is the NWCL dead in the water and why are smaller clubs seeing an improvement? You've refused to answer these questions as they prove you wrong.

Last winter season 4 clubs failed to complete the season in the bottom division. All division 5 clubs have managed this year so far.

Edited by bowes, 11 September 2012 - 08:03 PM.

[sbull]

The NCL trialled summer in 2009. The RFL may have suggested it but 2 bad summers and the NCL getting fed up of BARLA. With no money on the cards there was one vote between summer and winter but with large numbers of extensions.

Again if summer were the cause why is the NWCL dead in the water and why are smaller clubs seeing an improvement? You've refused to answer these questions as they prove you wrong.

Last winter season 4 clubs failed to complete the season in the bottom division. All division 5 clubs have managed this year so far.

sorry i dont understand your comment, Large nr of extentions, what do you mean by this?

if the nwcl is dead in the water its because of summer , if 4 teams in winter failed to finish the season well that is a shame, you gage them four with how many A teams of the NCL are currently failing due to numbers, now it seams that most if not all of the NCL teams are made up of a mixture of last years regular 1st teamers and a good proportion of A team players due to the fact playeres and spectators have ALWAY and will continue to get married go on stag do,s and genarally put their families first during the summer months,

the NCL committe pushed this stating the main reason was to improve the standered of rugby, do you think this has been achieved ?

[bowes]

I meant abstentions with the vote I'll correct that. Some clubs have got better, some have got weaker. It more or less balances out. That was 4 clubs who pulled out of one division, not total.

Edited by bowes, 11 September 2012 - 08:04 PM.

[TaxiEgg]

I was talking to one NCL coach who told me he had used 53 different players this year and hardly has been able to field the same or his strongest team .
For me that speaks volumes and answers most questions