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[Marauder]

Purely as a matter of interest Marauder , if you google Workington to Hull and then Whitehaven to Coventry the extra travel time is less than half an hour..........and Wath Brow have been doing the former five times a year !!!!

We sometimes forget that there is rugby league within striking distance north and south of the M62 corridor.......Nottingham is only an hour off West Yorkshire......Food for thought maybe ?

I do know about travelling times on paper and the actual travelling times, this summer I believe teams have found the summer traffic a little bit of a hold up at times.

[TaxiEgg]

Given everthing we have and are experiencing below is a proposal i made prior to this switch to Summer I had grave concerns then and still do now .

For me the answer is simple just extend the traditional season into the Summer months ie April ,May and June.

Rugby is a simple game made difficult by beaurocracy.

This was before the switch to Summer happened and Open Age Leagues had a change of heart .

OPTION 2 FOUR SEASONS PLAYING SEASON

Following the recent Nwc 16-18s meeting in regards to the “Summer Rugby Debate “ it struck me that as administrators of the region we were doing our member clubs a disservice by not offering an alternative to the only option proposed (re Jackie Clowes document ).

Whilst respecting the opinions of others, I feel it is necessary to offer an alternative which I personally feel will benefit all sections of the region including our sister open age leagues.

I have great reservations on several points of the only proposed fixture format presented and appreciate that the four seasons consultation has yet to be concluded ,but I need to raise concerns at this point .

Turning our season upside down causes a lot of confusion as to its aims and objectives, I have tried to be objective but believe passionately that it will damage the fabric of the sport.

The competition framework is a sound document although you notice in my proposal I try to unify the league structure which can fit from all sections of the 13 a side game from 12s to open age.

The winter break of the initial proposal has a four month period which will greatly affect the player retention, a massive gamble which I think the amateur game can ill afford to take.

I am proposing a two month break Dec and Jan

Why run across two age bands this just confuses the issue?

I propose we stick to the traditional school years as we currently use.

Ending the season in Autumn / winter is putting the business end of the season in potentionally the worse weather conditions and should the season fall behind there is little or no scope to complete the competition.

I propose we end in spring /Summer the better playing conditions giving us the feel good factor as we celebrate the Competition conclusions and giving us the flexibility of using the light nights to should we need them to conclude the fixture program.

Also maximising the spectator support in the league deciders and cup finals. This will benefit us all.

Ground maintenance is an issue yet to be resolved under this proposal which does not include open age who have already overwhelmingly rejected the summer proposal ( something we cannot Ignore ) councils have already indicated that they cannot cope with a twelve month playing season.

My proposal allows current maintenance programs to be unaffected.

In terms of player benefits my proposal enables the players to both train and prepare in the best conditions available. How many of our players will want to train for four months in winter without any game time?, As opposed to gaining fitness and conditioning in the summer months with the occasional club festivals to keep up their match fitness.



I have left the Scholar / Academy out of my proposal because that causes conflict of interest at club level and has a detrimental effect on the team ethos.

Why should a club be expected to lose its “ELITE “players and exclude the remaining players from the fixture program for any period?

Any scholarship games which are still a contentious issue should be played outside the amateur program thus nullifying the conflict.

Also we cannot ignore the social side of the sport. For example end of season club presentations are best served in the summer months not in the dark dull nights of winter.

There are many other points which will be highlighted in the final analysis of the four season’s consultation.

In conclusion the majority of the shareholders in the game are the amateur clubs and we should afford them the Respect of an alternative, and not be driven down one path.







Regards,



Mick Doyle

Nwc Juniors Chair

[usain bolt]

I believe Thatto Heath U16's have this morning officially notified the League that they are to disband/fold and will not be in a position to complete the remainder of the season in the Premier Division

how many games have they got left. they played crossfields last night and st pats on sunday, i believe. who says theyve folded?

[del capo]

Taxi Egg this thread is running on two diverse topics.

Marauder asked the question the subject of this thread for the NCL and Open Age. NCL expansion etc and whether the RFL had taken over.......

The Youth issues are separate ; summer, scholarships , school year structures etc. These issues undoubtedly ultimately impact on the NCL but they deserve their own thread on the Community forum .

Neither of us anymore administer directly the critical 16 -18 age group. I agree that if it's not addressed urgently then it will become the ' killing ground ' of the whole game. There needs to be an analysis of why age groups within otherwise rock solid clubs are struggling at a time when summer holidays etc have all gone and the players are largely back in education...

Your views and ideas are much appreciated , as I believe you well know. The latest horror show doing the rounds is a return by SL to Town Team schoolboy competition from 12 upwards . The doom and gloom merchants declaring , almost gleefully , the latest team to pack in simply strengthens the hand of those who favour elitism at the expense of the numbers game . You can well see how the argument unfolds - ' That lot can't deliver so we will have to do it ourselves ' ...

Sorry to see BARLA remove Stuart Prior at such an important time within this debate , maybe some within the RFL ( believe it or not ) will keep him in the ring. It needs to be sorted.........and the more voices that the community game can muster the better....

[Marauder]

Taxi Egg this thread is running on two diverse topics.

Marauder asked the question the subject of this thread for the NCL and Open Age. NCL expansion etc and whether the RFL had taken over.......

The Youth issues are separate ; summer, scholarships , school year structures etc. These issues undoubtedly ultimately impact on the NCL but they deserve their own thread on the Community forum .

Neither of us anymore administer directly the critical 16 -18 age group. I agree that if it's not addressed urgently then it will become the ' killing ground ' of the whole game. There needs to be an analysis of why age groups within otherwise rock solid clubs are struggling at a time when summer holidays etc have all gone and the players are largely back in education...

Your views and ideas are much appreciated , as I believe you well know. The latest horror show doing the rounds is a return by SL to Town Team schoolboy competition from 12 upwards . The doom and gloom merchants declaring , almost gleefully , the latest team to pack in simply strengthens the hand of those who favour elitism at the expense of the numbers game . You can well see how the argument unfolds - ' That lot can't deliver so we will have to do it ourselves ' ...

Sorry to see BARLA remove Stuart Prior at such an important time within this debate , maybe some within the RFL ( believe it or not ) will keep him in the ring. It needs to be sorted.........and the more voices that the community game can muster the better....

It's obvious that you have had the pleasure of involvement with a rock solid amateur rugby league team/club which reflects the area of the country you live/play.

For the smaller clubs like the one I follow who have been constantly butchered over the last 35 years by clubs within the RFL I can understand how other none selected elite junior teams/clubs feel as it seems they are now being butchered, as to why players have not returned after the holidays it's simple (again we suffered at times several weeks without a game in the CMS Yorkshire league) players want to be playing on a weekly basis and if they don't get regular games they will move to another sport or drift away from the game completely.

[Marauder]

Taxi Egg this thread is running on two diverse topics.

Marauder asked the question the subject of this thread for the NCL and Open Age. NCL expansion etc and whether the RFL had taken over.......

The Youth issues are separate ; summer, scholarships , school year structures etc. These issues undoubtedly ultimately impact on the NCL but they deserve their own thread on the Community forum .

Neither of us anymore administer directly the critical 16 -18 age group. I agree that if it's not addressed urgently then it will become the ' killing ground ' of the whole game. There needs to be an analysis of why age groups within otherwise rock solid clubs are struggling at a time when summer holidays etc have all gone and the players are largely back in education...

Your views and ideas are much appreciated , as I believe you well know. The latest horror show doing the rounds is a return by SL to Town Team schoolboy competition from 12 upwards . The doom and gloom merchants declaring , almost gleefully , the latest team to pack in simply strengthens the hand of those who favour elitism at the expense of the numbers game . You can well see how the argument unfolds - ' That lot can't deliver so we will have to do it ourselves ' ...

Sorry to see BARLA remove Stuart Prior at such an important time within this debate , maybe some within the RFL ( believe it or not ) will keep him in the ring. It needs to be sorted.........and the more voices that the community game can muster the better....

Didn’t BARLA asked for an extra place on the community board to retain Stuart Prior as a youth rep but were refused point blank? This seems a little bias when you consider that the summer game has a huge representative on the community board including Charlie Bray as it’s junior/youth rep.

Edited by Marauder, 15 September 2012 - 11:53 AM.

[del capo]

Not heard that one Marauder.....

What is this huge representation in balance ?

The Community Board recognizes positions not individuals..

Barla make their own choices. If that is likely to diminish their influence , that's entirely up to them...

The winter game belongs to the Pennine League , not Barla.

Should they be sat at the Board instead ?

[Marauder]

Not heard that one Marauder.....

What is this huge representation in balance ?

The Community Board recognizes positions not individuals..

Barla make their own choices. If that is likely to diminish their influence , that's entirely up to them...

The winter game belongs to the Pennine League , not Barla.

Should they be sat at the Board instead ?

The Pennine & Hull leagues are part of BARLA and the Community Board recognizes positions If it did I'm sure the juniors/Youth who play under the BARLA banner would have a rep on the panel, can you name the panel and state what they all represent?

[del capo]

Of course I can name the panel but just go to the RFL website and read it for yourself.

Who do Barla actually represent in weekly playing terms..?

I heard that Barla officials recently ' dished ' Pennine League guys at a function . Didn't go down too well apparently..

The Peninne League truly represent the winter game in the four seasons process Maybe they deserve to be sat there....


But who should control the hand that rocks the cradle ?

Best of luck Malcolm

[gillmeister]

Didn’t BARLA asked for an extra place on the community board to retain Stuart Prior as a youth rep but were refused point blank? This seems a little bias when you consider that the summer game has a huge representative on the community board including Charlie Bray as it’s junior/youth rep.

I got told that they promised Stuart no decision on the BARLA community board representation would be made at a meeting that he couldnt attend however someone went back on there word and voted to replace him with Malcolm Sellars. On that basis I would say the above is inaccurate??

Edited by gillmeister, 15 September 2012 - 08:32 PM.

[Marauder]

I got told that they promised Stuart no decision on the BARLA community board representation would be made at a meeting that he couldnt attend however someone went back on there word and voted to replace him with Malcolm Sellars. On that basis I would say the above is inaccurate??

I stated that BARLA asked for a extra SPACE on the community board to represent the juniors/youth who are with BARLA and never once mentioned the politics of who or why anyone replaced who within BARLA.

[Marauder]

Of course I can name the panel but just go to the RFL website and read it for yourself.

Who do Barla actually represent in weekly playing terms..?

I heard that Barla officials recently ' dished ' Pennine League guys at a function . Didn't go down too well apparently..

The Peninne League truly represent the winter game in the four seasons process Maybe they deserve to be sat there....


But who should control the hand that rocks the cradle ?

Best of luck Malcolm

I DID BUT IT DOES NOT STATE WHO REPRESENTS WHICH AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY GAME, Obviously it's easy to work out most.

[Marauder]

Not heard that one Marauder.....

What is this huge representation in balance ?

The Community Board recognizes positions not individuals..

Barla make their own choices. If that is likely to diminish their influence , that's entirely up to them...

The winter game belongs to the Pennine League , not Barla.

Should they be sat at the Board instead ?

Maybe the Pennine should have a place but it seems that their committee unlike some believe in the democratic methods employed by BARLA.

Edited by Marauder, 16 September 2012 - 05:24 PM.

[Marauder]

Not heard that one Marauder.....

What is this huge representation in balance ?

The Community Board recognizes positions not individuals..

Barla make their own choices. If that is likely to diminish their influence , that's entirely up to them...

The winter game belongs to the Pennine League , not Barla.

Should they be sat at the Board instead ?

I've just checked BARLA represent on the community board;

Barrow ARL
Barrow ARL youth
Cumberland ARL
West Cumberland youth
North West Counties ARL
Pennine ARL
West Riding ARL
Yorkshire Youth ARL
Yorkshire ARL
Hull ARL
Hull youth ARL

A fair and diverse representation just for one position wouldn't you say, lots of open age and plenty of youth for one person to handle.