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[Wilsden Ram]

This is how the Batley club conduct their affairs with all contract proposals within their budget for the year. The suggestions on this board that people cannot understand how some clubs (presumably meaning Batley) can offer such financial terms (hinting at them being in excess at what Dewsbury are offering) do not stand up. The Batley club set their budget and this is what is put on the table to players. At no time in recent history have Batley ever been in danger of going into administration, pleading for more income yes, but have always kept their head above water.

No-one is suggesting that Batley offer excessive terms to attract players. We all know that the 3 main predators are Featherstone, Halifax and Leigh (apparently after 1 season of sanity, they are back to the old levels which drove them to the brink of oblivion).

From what I know Batley and the Rams operate on a very similar basis in respect of player guarantees.

I do not have a problem with Batley signing Faal and Flanaghan, they were on the market. My gripe is with the conduct of Faal towards the Rams and the people who supported him - saying one thing yet blatantly doing another. Wonder how he would have felt if the Rams had treated him in the same way!

From what has been said, you helped GF in the same fashion in his previous spell with you and he only came to us because of an Agent's mistake.

[Blind side johnny]

It's a well established fact that players join Batley simply out of love for the club and the rich cultural life that they offer. I know this because i've read it on their forum many times.

Money never ever comes into it!

[Deputy Dog]

It's a well established fact that players join Batley simply out of love for the club and the rich cultural life that they offer. I know this because i've read it on their forum many times.

Money never ever comes into it!

Maybe they just want to play for a better club??

[Sir Jekyll Stocking]

It's the acrid stench of sour grapes wafting from the South Stand that drives them away, Deputy.
How are Vince and the Sheriff, by the way?

[spellings corrected]

Edited by Sir Jekyll Stocking, 07 September 2012 - 02:57 PM.

[Robin Evans]

Jeez a bloke leaves a job for a better paid one elsewhere. you'd think faal had goosed the pope looking at some of the reaction on here!!!
I love my job. Decent grade community Ld nurse in wakey working with some of the best and nicest folk you can imagine. i have no intention of moving and have said so.
However, if rotherham ld services approach me to apply for a band 8 post id be daft not to consider it - regardless of my previous comment OR whether wakey had helped me thru some difficult times.
That's real life. the normal world!!
I really don't get some of the reaction.
I was gutted when as a young un my hero Steve nash left rovers. but even playing for Salford i always regarded him as the finest athlete that ever wore a rovers shirt

Edited by Robin Evans, 07 September 2012 - 01:38 PM.

[grumpyoldram]

Jeez a bloke leaves a job for a better paid one elsewhere. you'd think faal had goosed the pope looking at some of the reaction on here!!!
I love my job. Decent grade community Ld nurse in wakey working with some of the best and nicest folk you can imagine. i have no intention of moving and have said so.
However, if rotherham ld services approach me to apply for a band 8 post id be daft not to consider it - regardless of my previous comment OR whether wakey had helped me thru some difficult times.
That's real life. the normal world!!
I really don't get some of the reaction.
I was gutted when as a young un my hero Steve nash left rovers. but even playing for Salford i always regarded him as the finest athlete that ever wore a rovers shirt

On the other hand, if you'd spent a fair part of your employment on the sick, and your employees had been particularly good to you, paid for your medical care and continued to pay your salary, and then the minute you were completely well again you decided to bLIggar off to rotherham, you wouldn't really expect them to be delighted with you would you ? Actually I would sooner he HAD goosed the pope, but like everybody else who lives in the real world, I have to accept he's gone, and TBH I won't lose any sleep. How come you got a band 7 anyway ? like hens teeth round our way.

[Kelsey The Ram]

Jeez a bloke leaves a job for a better paid one elsewhere. you'd think faal had goosed the pope looking at some of the reaction on here!!!
I love my job. Decent grade community Ld nurse in wakey working with some of the best and nicest folk you can imagine. i have no intention of moving and have said so.
However, if rotherham ld services approach me to apply for a band 8 post id be daft not to consider it - regardless of my previous comment OR whether wakey had helped me thru some difficult times.
That's real life. the normal world!!
I really don't get some of the reaction.
I was gutted when as a young un my hero Steve nash left rovers. but even playing for Salford i always regarded him as the finest athlete that ever wore a rovers shirt

Fair point but batley buying dewsbury players has become a regular thing, and with the wages they can pay out aswell, we had helped Ayden Faal with the law, and with his physical state, we payed for his surgery, we paid a transfer fee just to have him play at a better team, the least he could do was show loyalty to Dewsbury

[Robin Evans]

Disagree Kelsey. if my trust had done all that and another trust gave me a much better opportunity, id take it. i have a greater loyalty to my wife, adult money drains that are my kids and to my retirement fund!

[HaroldShand]

Fair point but batley buying dewsbury players has become a regular thing, and with the wages they can pay out aswell, we had helped Ayden Faal with the law, and with his physical state, we payed for his surgery, we paid a transfer fee just to have him play at a better team, the least he could do was show loyalty to Dewsbury

Over the last five years we've signed Alex Bretherton, Adam Robinson, Luke Menzies, Ian Preece, Danny Maun, Francis Maloney and Keegan Hirst directly from Dewsbury.
Bretherton, Menzies, Hirst and Robinson were not offered new terms by Warren Jowitt at the end of their respective contracts - he said so himself in the local media, and were thus released. In respect to the cases of each of those players signing for Batley Bulldogs, Warren Jowitt stated quite explicitly in the media they would not have been offered new deals at Dewsbury, anyway.
Preece was released after Mark Field was signed from Super League to replace him, whilst Maloney walked out on yourselves after a behind the scenes fall-out. Apart from Maun, all the players listed were apparently rejected by the Dewsbury club and coaching staff.
I'd say that in recent history, given the evidence, its actually the case that Batley have simply been picking up Dewsbury's unwanted scraps and doing rather well out of them.
Bretherton and Robinson were written off by many of your supporters as injury prone crocks, and Hirst was simply deemed to be garbage (check forum posts from previous years). In fact I'm sure that Keegan Hirst would have been absolutely demoralised if he'd have read some of the opinions that a lot of your forum members espoused regarding his playing abilities after hearing that he'd signed for Batley. Your fans certainly didn't seem to mind us taking those players off your hands.
It appears that as soon as we take two players who you might actually have wanted to keep (Faal and Flanagan), you start spouting garbage tantamount to accusations of 'poaching our players cos we av more money'. Time for a reality check - or a memory check.

Edited by HaroldShand, 07 September 2012 - 06:00 PM.

[Kelsey The Ram]

Over the last five years we've signed Alex Bretherton, Adam Robinson, Luke Menzies, Ian Preece, Danny Maun, Francis Maloney and Keegan Hirst directly from Dewsbury.
Bretherton, Menzies, Hirst and Robinson were not offered new terms by Warren Jowitt at the end of their respective contracts - he said so himself in the local media, and were thus released. In respect to the cases of each of those players signing for Batley Bulldogs, Warren Jowitt stated quite explicitly in the media they would not have been offered new deals at Dewsbury, anyway.
Preece was released after Mark Field was signed from Super League to replace him, whilst Maloney walked out on yourselves after a behind the scenes fall-out. Apart from Maun, all the players listed were apparently rejected by the Dewsbury club and coaching staff.
I'd say that in recent history, given the evidence, its actually the case that Batley have simply been picking up Dewsbury's unwanted scraps and doing rather well out of them.
Bretherton and Robinson were written off by many of your supporters as injury prone crocks, and Hirst was simply deemed to be garbage (check forum posts from previous years). In fact I'm sure that Keegan Hirst would have been absolutely demoralised if he'd have read some of the opinions that a lot of your forum members espoused regarding his playing abilities after hearing that he'd signed for Batley. Your fans certainly didn't seem to mind us taking those players off your hands.
It appears that as soon as we take two players who you might actually have wanted to keep (Faal and Flanagan), you start spouting garbage tantamount to accusations of 'poaching our players cos we av more money'. Time for a reality check - or a memory check.

I respect all opinions, and what you have stated is correct, but even us Dewsbury fans know how negative jowitt was with players, but as for reality check, I try speak sense, so I think I may not need one of those just yet, as for memory check, I haven't been on this forum for long, so I wouldn't know about much of the comments that was about Hirst, Bretherton, and Robinson, although I will admit, I did make comments about batley poaching our players because and you have more money etc. etc.

[Kelsey The Ram]

It's the acrid stench of sour grapes wafting from the South Stand that drives them away, Deputy.
How are Vince and the Sheriff, by the way?

[spellings corrected]

No offence but it's mainly us south stand lot that keep the club going, not that I will lose any sleep now AF&GF are gone, I will have to accept that they're gone, as I'm in the real world.

[andyram]

Sad to see Crossley go,but no real surprise,can't blame the lad for signing to Fev and getting all that money.Flannagan didn't want to leave Batley in first place,but the lad put 100% effect everytime he was on the pitch for the Rams,sorry to see him go,but players come and go.Got to say i thought Faal would had shown more loyalty with us,but it was not to be,lets just move on.

[grumpyoldram]

Over the last five years we've signed Alex Bretherton, Adam Robinson, Luke Menzies, Ian Preece, Danny Maun, Francis Maloney and Keegan Hirst directly from Dewsbury.
Bretherton, Menzies, Hirst and Robinson were not offered new terms by Warren Jowitt at the end of their respective contracts - he said so himself in the local media, and were thus released. In respect to the cases of each of those players signing for Batley Bulldogs, Warren Jowitt stated quite explicitly in the media they would not have been offered new deals at Dewsbury, anyway.
Preece was released after Mark Field was signed from Super League to replace him, whilst Maloney walked out on yourselves after a behind the scenes fall-out. Apart from Maun, all the players listed were apparently rejected by the Dewsbury club and coaching staff.
I'd say that in recent history, given the evidence, its actually the case that Batley have simply been picking up Dewsbury's unwanted scraps and doing rather well out of them.
Bretherton and Robinson were written off by many of your supporters as injury prone crocks, and Hirst was simply deemed to be garbage (check forum posts from previous years). In fact I'm sure that Keegan Hirst would have been absolutely demoralised if he'd have read some of the opinions that a lot of your forum members espoused regarding his playing abilities after hearing that he'd signed for Batley. Your fans certainly didn't seem to mind us taking those players off your hands.
It appears that as soon as we take two players who you might actually have wanted to keep (Faal and Flanagan), you start spouting garbage tantamount to accusations of 'poaching our players cos we av more money'. Time for a reality check - or a memory check.

For once I actually agree with some of that harold, but not the bit about brev - I never saw a bad word about him on the forum, and most fans were gutted that WJ didn't want him. It's a mark of the esteem in which he was held, that to my knowledge nobody has slagged him off since he became a doggie, and most of us would welcome him back either as a guest or preferably as a player.

[HaroldShand]

For once I actually agree with some of that harold, but not the bit about brev - I never saw a bad word about him on the forum, and most fans were gutted that WJ didn't want him. It's a mark of the esteem in which he was held, that to my knowledge nobody has slagged him off since he became a doggie, and most of us would welcome him back either as a guest or preferably as a player.

Fair enough g.o.r., but I genuinely do remember some of the lesser lights on this forum greeting even Bretherton's signing with derision. I'll admit he does still seem highly regarded by many Dewsbury fans. He's a good player, with lots of good qualities. Got to say though, IMO his form this season hasn't been a patch on his 2011 vintage. There's also been a few rumours circulating recently regarding a possible move to a club two or three valleys west of Batley.

[Rambo]

Brev was treated pretty shabbily by Warren Jowitt and told he wasn't been offered a new deal by letter, when he would have in likelihood stayed. Which in my mind and other dewsbury supporters I know a terrible decision.

Would love to see him back at dewsbury.

[Blind side johnny]

No offence but it's mainly us south stand lot that keep the club going, not that I will lose any sleep now AF&GF are gone, I will have to accept that they're gone, as I'm in the real world.

I know that you don't like the expression reality check KtR but the income actually generated by all of the fans, never mind the South Stand contingent, is hardly enough to "keep the club going" as you put it. Chucking £25 into the club coffers every two weeks isn't going to pay many bills, and this applies to all clubs. I recall it being said (unofficially) a couple of years ago (probably in CC1) that the club would be more solvent if they played the games behind closed doors as the costs of opening and running the ground on matchdays weren't matched by the money through the turnstiles.

I'm not having a go at any fans by any means but just pointing out that the income that they contribute is only a part of the picture in financing our club. This also why I wonder how some other clubs with more limited income streams than us manage to pay out the amount of money to players that they do.

[Kelsey The Ram]

I know that you don't like the expression reality check KtR but the income actually generated by all of the fans, never mind the South Stand contingent, is hardly enough to "keep the club going" as you put it. Chucking £25 into the club coffers every two weeks isn't going to pay many bills, and this applies to all clubs. I recall it being said (unofficially) a couple of years ago (probably in CC1) that the club would be more solvent if they played the games behind closed doors as the costs of opening and running the ground on matchdays weren't matched by the money through the turnstiles.

I'm not having a go at any fans by any means but just pointing out that the income that they contribute is only a part of the picture in financing our club. This also why I wonder how some other clubs with more limited income streams than us manage to pay out the amount of money to players that they do.

I understand where you're coming from BSJ, but i just take it as that the south stand is the stand where the revenue comes in because it is a lot cheaper if you get what I mean.

About teams with more limited income streams paying out amounts they do for players, a lot of them have squad builders like us, like Batley with BISSA, and a lot of Batley fans give towards it. I come to the conclusion that we don't really pay for players with the money we pay into the squadbuilder, and if I am right, which I may not be, the last player we bought out of the squadbuilder money was Sid Domic.

[Blind side johnny]

I understand where you're coming from BSJ, but i just take it as that the south stand is the stand where the revenue comes in because it is a lot cheaper if you get what I mean.

About teams with more limited income streams paying out amounts they do for players, a lot of them have squad builders like us, like Batley with BISSA, and a lot of Batley fans give towards it. I come to the conclusion that we don't really pay for players with the money we pay into the squadbuilder, and if I am right, which I may not be, the last player we bought out of the squadbuilder money was Sid Domic.

An interesting point Kelsey. I suspect that the reason that Bissa is maybe stronger than squadbuilder is because it is independent of the club and run by fans. this isn't to suggest any impropriety by the club, quite the opposite in fact (and I'm sure they would be absolutely delighted if some group formed independently to do the same thing) but fans being fans will always be cynical about paying money into a club as distinct from into something about which they feel a sense of ownership.

And before anyone suggests it, no I'm not interested in organising anything like this and, yes I am a member of squadbuilder.

[Kelsey The Ram]

An interesting point Kelsey. I suspect that the reason that Bissa is maybe stronger than squadbuilder is because it is independent of the club and run by fans. this isn't to suggest any impropriety by the club, quite the opposite in fact (and I'm sure they would be absolutely delighted if some group formed independently to do the same thing) but fans being fans will always be cynical about paying money into a club as distinct from into something about which they feel a sense of ownership.

And before anyone suggests it, no I'm not interested in organising anything like this and, yes I am a member of squadbuilder.

i would pay into squadbuilder, but i'm only 15, not old enough to have a bank account yet

[Robin Evans]

Patience Kelsey. there are years n years in front of you to chuck your money at dews i just wished there were another couple o' thousand like you!!!!