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[Cato89]

If its the same one ive heard Town4Me haven fans will not be happy

[haven4ever]

unicorn which part of this do you not understand,like it or not at some point matty has agreed to join haven and signed either a pre contract agreement ,player registration form or both.He has then had a change of mind which given that it is months off the start if the new season i would say he is entitled to do as long as all parties are informed.
Or do you or any fair minded town fans think he had no knowledge of any of this and haven just filled all the forms in ,signed them themselves and sent them off to the RFL in the hope he would just say go on then ill play for you.I know you all want to see haven as the villan in this as in before or after the 1st of sept ,but lets be clear the player himself must have known what he was doing by either agreeing terms and or signing things.Unless of course he hasnt signed anything which is what away the brow says.I may be wrong and maybe some one knows but i think on a player regustration form both club and player have to sign it and as the RFL have already stated they have a form from haven then its fair to say at some point he has signed it.He will be playing for town next year and even as a haven fan i dont see what the club hopes to gain by going through this,i can understand them not being happy and even wanting it to be known whats gone on ,but to push it with the rfl seems pointless to me

Edited by haven4ever, 27 September 2012 - 09:44 PM.

[Keith T]

Haven4ever, none of us on here know the full story, and probably will never get to know the full story, but let's not forget that Workington Town have not done anything wrong in this. Let's also not forget how, and by who, this story was put in to the public domain, via BBCRadioCumbria Twitter feed, that someone informed. You say that Town fans are wanting Haven to be seen as the villains but it does seem to me, and no doubt others, that that is the same thing that some Haven fans, etc, are trying to make out against Town.

Personally I think no good will come out of it for either club. Matty is legitimately a Town fan and it's time to move on. End of.

[haven4ever]

keith i havent seen any where people blaming town,under his current contract he is a town player until 30/11/12 and as such they can talk to him and sign a new contract with him at any time in the season

[Keith T]

Well I have, but all the posts on the subject have been removed from the Haven forum. Question for you then, what was the purpose of someone giving the initial information to Radio Cumbria? And who was that, as I don't think for one minute it came from Town?

[fester]

Hahahaha good man matty up the TOWN

[haven94]

I know plenty mate just not an attention seeking no mark like your good self so I don't need to brag

nothing to brag about gonch, i wanted matty back at haven what attention i thought you guys would be well chuffed

[away the brow]

unicorn which part of this do you not understand,like it or not at some point matty has agreed to join haven and signed either a pre contract agreement ,player registration form or both.He has then had a change of mind which given that it is months off the start if the new season i would say he is entitled to do as long as all parties are informed.
Or do you or any fair minded town fans think he had no knowledge of any of this and haven just filled all the forms in ,signed them themselves and sent them off to the RFL in the hope he would just say go on then ill play for you.I know you all want to see haven as the villan in this as in before or after the 1st of sept ,but lets be clear the player himself must have known what he was doing by either agreeing terms and or signing things.Unless of course he hasnt signed anything which is what away the brow says.I may be wrong and maybe some one knows but i think on a player regustration form both club and player have to sign it and as the RFL have already stated they have a form from haven then its fair to say at some point he has signed it.He will be playing for town next year and even as a haven fan i dont see what the club hopes to gain by going through this,i can understand them not being happy and even wanting it to be known whats gone on ,but to push it with the rfl seems pointless to me

haven4ever Matty had agreed to certain terms for which he signed. The reason Matty signed was Haven officials told him they could change what they had agreed up to that point if he did not sign. Matty was very naive in signing just part of a contract. He did it because he did not know what Town were going to offer at that time. There were other issues one being length of playing contract which had not been discussed. So somebody at Whitehaven must of added this to the contract which Matty had previously signed at a later date without Matty knowing and they also falsified the date (1st September) on the contract because Matty had not dated it.
Matty had not signed a registration form as a full contract had not been agreed.

If Matty had signed a valid contract why over the last two weeks has he been bombarded with phone calls from members of the Whitehaven board and coaching staff trying to persuade him to sign a legitimate contract with them. The reason is Matty was in serious talks with Town and Haven wanted him badly.
The reason why Matty was talking to Town and Haven was to make sure he was doing what was best for him and his family and then a make a decision.
haven4ever Matty had the decency to inform Whitehaven's head coach Dave Woods he was going to sign for Town.

haven4ever you have come on this forum and you have stated things about Matty which are false and utter rubbish. It was Whitehaven who illegally approached Matty and did everything to get him to sign and failed.
Whitehaven know exactly whats gone on and it does not surprise me how they have reacted looking at how they treated Don Gailer.
You would of thought Whitehaven would of accepted Matty's decision and moved on.

Edited by away the brow, 28 September 2012 - 08:05 AM.

[Cato89]

Away The Brow.....being from Egremont i dont really care much for Brow but i think I love you after that post!!

[Oneday]

Hope this saga doesn't ruin our relationship with Whitehaven fans.

PS I know nothing

Edited by Oneday, 28 September 2012 - 08:20 AM.

[haven4ever]

away the brow, your obviously close to matty and seem intent on laying all the blame for this debacle at the door of Whitehaven, as do a lot of workington fans ,while explaining any wrong doing by the player as naive actions.
Firstly the only thing i posted which you say is false is who contacted who ,you say the club approached him, the club say otherwise "he said ,she said".I will also say that if you read my previous posts i have said that what ever actions the player has taken it has been his right to do so and have no issues with that.
As soon as town got promoted they set about signing all their best players back on for next season, thacks, shacks miller etc.Given that in most peoples eyes matty is the best player at town you can be sure they will have been trying to get him signed back on and will not have waited until last week.Yet all the time no annoucement of him signing and for weeks and weeks stronger rumours he had signed for Haven, even on here town fans saying he had and that no news from the club was bad news about him staying.
He is well with in rights to talk to as many clubs as he see's fit to get the best deal for him and his family and at some point this deal must have been with Whitehaven other wise why sign anything? This is backed up again by no news of him signing anything with town and again the strong rumours coming out of both camps about who he had signed for,i don't buy this part contract thing i think any player signing for a club will be well aware what they are signing for terms etc.As for player registration, i find it strange that players don't have to sign these forms other wise clubs can submit them for any player and say he is registered to them.
At some point (last week by the sounds of things)he has changed his mind and decided to sign for town, again this will be down to an improved offer which by all accounts is a 3 year deal and not a 2 years with haven .No problem again pre season hasn't even started , not as if its a week or two before the season starts and hes being training and been paid by haven, its up to him who he plays for and its happened in the past jon roper signed for haven , then signed for cas in SL.
So then we have the situation now where both clubs say he has signed for them and the rugby league confirm this.he has done it of his own free will .The player himself has to take most of the responsibility for this debacle.
I do agree with your last sentence, and have post it on here.Whitehaven should just have moved on i don't see how pushing this matter benefits either club or the player, Whats the point of having a player on your books who wants to play else where,as a haven fan who supports his club to me it smacks of petty points scoring

Edited by haven4ever, 29 September 2012 - 11:42 AM.

[topladtownie]

I do agree with your last sentence, and have post it on here.Whitehaven should just have moved on i don't see how pushing this matter benefits either club or the player,

Hmmmmm Whitehavens decision to date the contract 1st September when the player was away, and on the
first day they were allowed to speak to him, (cough cough) can only lead to one conclusion illegal approach

Or are you saying Haven rang him on 1st September, said Hiya Matty, even though we didn't pay you last time,
fancy signing a two year contract today? Blimey quick negotiations.

[haven4ever]

no im not saying that,away the brow says he signed a contract with no date on ,so very difficult to prove either way if it was drafted and signed before or after the 1st,no doubt the RFL will be looking at this and the actions of the club and the player

[town4me]

Haven4ever just let it go. Your fingers must be cream crackered with all that typing marra. We know you are gutted but just let it go matty is a town player.

[unicorn106]

All this fuss about the contract is overshadowing the main point...... Matty is still a Town player, and I'm sure everyone is delighted at the news. We have re-signed the best of this seasons team, and the BOD should be congratulated in pulling this off.
Just a word of praise for all the Town fans who post on here. During the whole Matty saga not one person has come on here and rubbished the lad, we were all bitterly disappointed but kept our dignity by wishing him well. Could you imagine the abuse he would have got from that deluded bunch if the shoe was on the other foot !! Well done to everyone, you've been a credit to the club.

When do season tickets go on sale ? UP THE TOWN, and thanks Matty, you've made a lot of people very happy.

[town4me]

well said unicorn. I think most of us were resigned to be losing a top quality west cumbrian player worthy of plying his trade in a higher league to our rivals. We would have all wished him the best and thanked him for his services. We certainly wouldnt have spouted the rubbish most of their fans are and its just because they are gutted but then again so would we have been if we had lost him, says it all really.

[wonky]

Well town and haven have sorted it out and he's set to be a town player again officially. Common sense prevails and we can now set about more recruitment. Great news on getting the leagues best hooker signed on, well done bod

[harryclint]

This all makes me laugh,it seems that some Workington town fans are so desperate to get one over their nearest rivals and for mattinson to sign for them they are preparedto accept any kind of behavior from him.The way he has behaved over this issues is deplorable and has shown no respect to either club or their supporters.Up until a week or two ago Workington had no idea what was going on with mattinson because he was telling them nothing,they were even asking other clubs if they had signed him to try to get a handle on what was going on.It was only after they found out he had agreed terms with Whitehaven and signed a pre contract that they then came back to him with a much improved offer, which one club member described as massive.Only after this did he make Workington aware of what was going on and agree to sign for them.
He has all but held the club to ransom with his antics and shown them very little gratitude for how they treated him last year.If this was the other way around or any other club for that matter im sure Workington town fans would be using the term mercenary.The player is the only one to blame in all this ,no one forced him to sign for whitehaven and now one forced him to then sign for town both were of his own free will and show him to be interested in only one thing money.

Edited by harryclint, 28 September 2012 - 03:01 PM.

[dkw]

And it also seems some jameaters a little upset about this, after being 100% certain he had signed for their morally bankrupt heap. you seem pretty sure about whats gone on, do you have any proof or just more random hyperbole.

[harryclint]

He has signed for them do you not read the papers, but he has also signed for Workington both his own doing and thats why thr RFL are investigating whats gone on
Also dont think that the player can't be punished over all this because he can.