39 replies to this topic

[Mrbus]

don't offer players guaranteed contract money as do many other Championship clubs. Our players only get paid on appearances, and on a win/lose basis. When you view affairs from that standpoint, it's easy to comprehend how we pay our wage bill.

hahahaha, you've got 'squad' players on bigger contracts than half the teams in the league will give 'first teamers'

[colinb]

hahahaha, you've got 'squad' players on bigger contracts than half the teams in the league will give 'first teamers'

Interesting this one Mrbus, would you like to elaborate as to how you know about our wage structure, as I am sure our BOD would be interested. Squad players?? Bigger Contracts?? Batley , at the end of each season have an AGM for shareholders, at which point the running costs of the club are passed on, via a balance sheet.. So it's obvious you are NOT a shareholder.
Also , as Harold alluded to earlier ,we have a very active Independent Squadbuilder Association (BISSA). Which , via the coach , passes on any additional costs the coach deems fit to pay the players any additional incentives.. This allows the club to BUDGET their cash flow and more importantly, live within their means. This has been seen to be very successful for the last 10 years.
Also , finally, the other major plus at Batley is that the wages are paid upto date, so the players know where they stand each month.

Look forward to your reply.

ColinB--Chairman of BISSA.

Edited by colinb, 11 September 2012 - 12:59 PM.

[Blind side johnny]

I believe the "Batley don't give contracts" line is a bit of a myth, perpetrated by Kevin's statements on signing coaches. In a recent interview with JK in 40/20 magazine he said that the contracts of players at Batley weren't large and that the highest figure (I'd guess BB) was much lower than equivalents at other clubs (eyes looking westwards).

I'm not having a go but simply don't believe that any player and his agent would agree to sign on a non-contract, pay me what you think I'm worth basis.

A well run ship certainly but still fairly conventional I believe.

[colinb]

I believe the "Batley don't give contracts" line is a bit of a myth, perpetrated by Kevin's statements on signing coaches. In a recent interview with JK in 40/20 magazine he said that the contracts of players at Batley weren't large and that the highest figure (I'd guess BB) was much lower than equivalents at other clubs (eyes looking westwards).

I'm not having a go but simply don't believe that any player and his agent would agree to sign on a non-contract, pay me what you think I'm worth basis.

A well run ship certainly but still fairly conventional I believe.

As far as coaches are concerned, they have not had contracts for a long time. Paul Storey, Gary Thornton, John Kear ALL worked and work without a contract, as stated by KN. A coaches contract at Batley IS a handshake.

[blackhawk]

They may of course be extremely well run, and appear to have been for severel years, and well done to them for that.

tubbs and his dad before him had thier heads screwd on.simple when u have good management and backroom staff.

[HaroldShand]

hahahaha, you've got 'squad' players on bigger contracts than half the teams in the league will give 'first teamers'

Yeah. Right.

[BatleyFanAndy]

hahahaha, you've got 'squad' players on bigger contracts than half the teams in the league will give 'first teamers'

LMFAO I think you must have us mixed up with another club!

[HaroldShand]

LMFAO I think you must have us mixed up with another club!

He might have a point. I've heard that Craig Potter and Kris Lythes are on an absolute fortune. At least a grand a week.

[The King Of Leon]

are you seriously telling me Ben Black isnt on at least 10k contract money plus decent winning money ?

[Nick07]

are you seriously telling me Ben Black isnt on at least 10k contract money plus decent winning money ?

Seriously KOL. The club have a very rigid (and rightly) wage structure., with contracted players roughly on the same salary. Ben's income will be supplemented by the new job he has at Calderdale Council. I presume he will also have a 'proper' job too.

That's why the club has done so well recently, especially off the pitch. We have a formula and stick to it. If a player gets offered more money elsewhere then we aren't likely to retain or sign them. But I'd much prefer that than risk financial security for short term success on the field.

[Blind side johnny]

As far as coaches are concerned, they have not had contracts for a long time. Paul Storey, Gary Thornton, John Kear ALL worked and work without a contract, as stated by KN. A coaches contract at Batley IS a handshake.

Which is what I was saying, players do have contracts and statements by fans to the contrary are just a myth.

[HaroldShand]

Which is what I was saying, players do have contracts and statements by fans to the contrary are just a myth.

What are you on about? I can't see any fans saying players don't have contracts, and haven't seen a single post on this forum stating/claiming that's the situation? Obviously, they have contracts! Kevin Nicholas has always said that coaches at Batley have a verbal agreement, and not a signed legal document binding them to the club. On the other hand, our players do - as is the situation at all professional clubs. If they didn't, they'd be getting poached willy nilly by other clubs at will. Players....binding contracts.....Coaches......verbal contracts. Its not a difficult concept to grasp.

[Mrbus]

He might have a point. I've heard that Craig Potter and Kris Lythes are on an absolute fortune. At least a grand a week.

I've heard they're both leaving, along with a few others

[Sir Jekyll Stocking]

I've heard they're both leaving, along with a few others

Edit:
Reply deleted. You're not worth the effort.

Edited by Sir Jekyll Stocking, 14 September 2012 - 10:27 AM.

[M Hopkins]

Could both be retiring.

[Blind side johnny]

What are you on about? I can't see any fans saying players don't have contracts, and haven't seen a single post on this forum stating/claiming that's the situation? Obviously, they have contracts! Kevin Nicholas has always said that coaches at Batley have a verbal agreement, and not a signed legal document binding them to the club. On the other hand, our players do - as is the situation at all professional clubs. If they didn't, they'd be getting poached willy nilly by other clubs at will. Players....binding contracts.....Coaches......verbal contracts. Its not a difficult concept to grasp.

Sorry, do I need to spell it out? Contracts including guaranteed payments are given to a number of Batley players every season. It's why they sign.

As distinct from: "..don't offer players guaranteed contract money as do many other Championship clubs. Our players only get paid on appearances, and on a win/lose basis." which was posted by one of your fans, I forget for the moment which one though.

[greavesy]

dont know about contracts they need someone at Sheffield who can add up the gate better when it is shared If there wasnt more than just over 700 on Sunday i,l eat the cat.

[HaroldShand]

Sorry, do I need to spell it out? Contracts including guaranteed payments are given to a number of Batley players every season. It's why they sign.

As distinct from: "..don't offer players guaranteed contract money as do many other Championship clubs. Our players only get paid on appearances, and on a win/lose basis." which was posted by one of your fans, I forget for the moment which one though.

Assumption, based on nothing. If you're alluding to 'signing-on fees', that clubs have been handing out to players since the dawn of time immediate to signing for a club, then you're correct. If you're referring to 'guaranteed contract money' - as in money that players receive across the course of a given season regardless of appearances, then you're wrong. Batley don't operate under that model.

Edited by HaroldShand, 13 September 2012 - 03:55 PM.

[Blind side johnny]

Assumption, based on nothing. If you're alluding to 'signing-on fees', that clubs have been handing out to players since the dawn of time immediate to signing for a club, then you're correct. If you're referring to 'guaranteed contract money' - as in money that players receive across the course of a given season regardless of appearances, then you're wrong. Batley don't operate under that model.

Oh really?

So you're saying that the signing on fee is all payable up-front, not staged across the season, nor dependent upon appearances/availability?

Now that would be an interesting model!

Or are you just wriggling again Harold? It shouldn't be too difficult to admit that simply Batley operate just like all of the other clubs in the RFL (albeit better than most) rather than trying to sprinkle some sort of pixie dust over the operation.

[guest from down under]

Of course batley have a guaranteed money budget , it about the same as ours .