After 23 years, the families of the 96 have been proved to have been correct.
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 12:05
Cheer up, RL is actually rather good
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 12:06
"Journalists are meant to be neutral, for God's sake." - Stephen 'Wiggy' Jones
"Perhaps it would be better that future criticism of sports be made on the narrow basis of what is being discussed, without reference to other sports, unless those sports offer a solution to the problem in hand." - Brian 'Pigface' Moore
"What happens in rugby union? A player takes the ball, moves forward a little and gets tackled. A whole load of players then roll about on the ground. Pheep! The referee gives a penalty." - Simon Barnes
"Perhaps it would be better that future criticism of sports be made on the narrow basis of what is being discussed, without reference to other sports, unless those sports offer a solution to the problem in hand." - Brian 'Pigface' Moore
"What happens in rugby union? A player takes the ball, moves forward a little and gets tackled. A whole load of players then roll about on the ground. Pheep! The referee gives a penalty." - Simon Barnes
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 12:09
"Journalists are meant to be neutral, for God's sake." - Stephen 'Wiggy' Jones
"Perhaps it would be better that future criticism of sports be made on the narrow basis of what is being discussed, without reference to other sports, unless those sports offer a solution to the problem in hand." - Brian 'Pigface' Moore
"What happens in rugby union? A player takes the ball, moves forward a little and gets tackled. A whole load of players then roll about on the ground. Pheep! The referee gives a penalty." - Simon Barnes
"Perhaps it would be better that future criticism of sports be made on the narrow basis of what is being discussed, without reference to other sports, unless those sports offer a solution to the problem in hand." - Brian 'Pigface' Moore
"What happens in rugby union? A player takes the ball, moves forward a little and gets tackled. A whole load of players then roll about on the ground. Pheep! The referee gives a penalty." - Simon Barnes
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 12:13
So many shocking revelations. The most human of which is that at 3.15pm, the time by which it was decreed nobody could have taken any action that would have saved lives, there were actually 31 people who could have lived.
I have literally no idea how the families must be feeling today as they read for the first time what happened to their loved ones.
I have literally no idea how the families must be feeling today as they read for the first time what happened to their loved ones.
Cheer up, RL is actually rather good
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 12:19
Top story on The Sun's webpage: "Former Westlife star Brian McFadden slams ex-wife Kerry Katona."
"Journalists are meant to be neutral, for God's sake." - Stephen 'Wiggy' Jones
"Perhaps it would be better that future criticism of sports be made on the narrow basis of what is being discussed, without reference to other sports, unless those sports offer a solution to the problem in hand." - Brian 'Pigface' Moore
"What happens in rugby union? A player takes the ball, moves forward a little and gets tackled. A whole load of players then roll about on the ground. Pheep! The referee gives a penalty." - Simon Barnes
"Perhaps it would be better that future criticism of sports be made on the narrow basis of what is being discussed, without reference to other sports, unless those sports offer a solution to the problem in hand." - Brian 'Pigface' Moore
"What happens in rugby union? A player takes the ball, moves forward a little and gets tackled. A whole load of players then roll about on the ground. Pheep! The referee gives a penalty." - Simon Barnes
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 12:20
There are MPs fighting back tears as they make their statements. The scale of the cover-up is staggering.
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 12:22
I don't mind admitting that they're not alone.There are MPs fighting back tears as they make their statements. The scale of the cover-up is staggering.
"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 12:24
I watched the PM's statement ( and Miliband's response) . I too was close to tears. It will be interesting to see the Suns response, and to hear the South Yorks Police response, ( see here: http://www.southyork...-online-archive )
The report at last makes clear where the Sun got its info from, though. it seems that the then editor has a lot to answer for as he took the SYP's lies at face value.
The report at last makes clear where the Sun got its info from, though. it seems that the then editor has a lot to answer for as he took the SYP's lies at face value.
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:05
I don't mind admitting that they're not alone.
Indeed. I was in bits.
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:09
The press conference at the cathedral going on right now is incredible.
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:28
Just watching. Ifs far far worse that the Parliamentary statement. FOUR senior police officers briefed Whites, the Sheffield news agency, that it was drunken fans that were responsible and they issued it to the media and it seems the media wanted it to be true.
And blood samples were taken from the injured in hospital too look for alcohol!
And it looks like this guy is in the frame big time http://www.westyorks...norman-bettison
And blood samples were taken from the injured in hospital too look for alcohol!
And it looks like this guy is in the frame big time http://www.westyorks...norman-bettison
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:30
Just watching. Ifs far far worse that the Parliamentary statement. FOUR senior police officers briefed Whites, the Sheffield news agency, that it was drunken fans that were responsible and they issued it to the media and it seems the media wanted it to be true.
And blood samples were taken from the injured in hospital too look for alcohol!
And it looks like this guy is in the frame big time http://www.westyorks...norman-bettison
Also, the panel statement is that 41 not 31 could have been saved post 3.15pm.
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:30
I've got it on while 'trying' to work, something I am having difficulty with today.The press conference at the cathedral going on right now is incredible.
"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:34
And all the deceased, including children.And blood samples were taken from the injured in hospital too look for alcohol!
They also trailed though all their criminal records to see if they could dig any up for the deceased in order to discredit them.
"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:36
The real test will be when the CPS etc get involved. Any bets it will be too late to do anything, statute of limitations etc.
No sign of contrition here: http://www.thesun.co...lamed-fans.html
No sign of contrition here: http://www.thesun.co...lamed-fans.html
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:38
The real test will be when the CPS etc get involved. Any bets it will be too late to do anything, statute of limitations etc.
David Cameron, who I thought was excellent in the Commons today incidentally, as he was for the Bloody Sunday apology, has said he will support the CPS etc becoming involved.
It did seem that all parties in the House were shocked at the scale of the cover-up.
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:39
And it looks like this guy is in the frame big time http://www.westyorks...norman-bettison
And this guy: http://en.wikipedia..../Irvine_Patnick
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:43
BBC saying that some of the documents relating to the Thatcher government's opinions and actions may not have been released.
Statement from the families due in a few moments.
Statement from the families due in a few moments.
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:45
This is one of the more shocking images to emerge over the last couple of days that was published on Twitter. Fans trying to help fans, police with backs turned. left me speechless.
"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."
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Posté 12 septembre 2012 - 01:46
And this guy: http://en.wikipedia..../Irvine_Patnick
"Earlier, Sun editor Kelvin Mackenzie had said of his coverage: "It was a fundamental mistake. The mistake was I believed what an MP said."
A lesson for us all, there.
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