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[Blackpool Hawk]

BLACKPOOL--- BIG AL PUT THE RECORDS YOU WANT INTO THE PROGRAMME ABOUT 4 SEASONS AGO-- THEY WERE THERE UNTIL HIST TOOK OVER SO SOMEONE MUST HAVE REMOVED THEM
There must be old copies of the programme in the office or maybe someone reading this can telephone the club with the info you want
and will someone tell me how to get rid of the underlining._

I cant get mine off too must be a sytem error

[gabby]

BLACKPOOL--- BIG AL PUT THE RECORDS YOU WANT INTO THE PROGRAMME ABOUT 4 SEASONS AGO-- THEY WERE THERE UNTIL HIST TOOK OVER SO SOMEONE MUST HAVE REMOVED THEM
There must be old copies of the programme in the office or maybe someone reading this can telephone the club with the info you want
and will someone tell me how to get rid of the underlining._

They weren't all correct in the programme.

[FRISKY FILLY]

come on then GABBY correct them-- I'll go with your records.

[gabby]

come on then GABBY correct them-- I'll go with your records.

I don't guarantee that they are all 100% correct but probably 99.9% right. I have included records from 1883/4 when the club formed in the rugby union days as two of the Goldthorpes made many appearances in both codes. Goals in a season- Albert scored 300 in the union days plus 692 in league records making 992 [not inc friendlies]. Billy Langton kicked 1045 [not inc Laz cups etc] so he holds that record. Points- Albert scored 2252 but many games were not decided by scores but the number of goals kicked then tries. I have converted all his goals into 2 points [although many were worth 4 or sometimes 3] and his tries into 3 points. Langton scored a total of 2204 [all in league days]. Appearances, Albert made at least 237 in union and 445 at league [total 682], Walter made at least 598 in both codes, Gunney inc subs made 577, Walkington, 567, Dawson 501. Tries- Broughton 193, Snowden 151 NOT Williamson which I think was the main error in the programme. Goals in a match- Albert kicked 14 from 15 attempts plus 4 tries in the union days, totalling 44 points in modern terms.Langton kicked 12 in one game with atry for 27 points but there may have been some better than 12 in recent years, Lumb scored 28 in one game, Pell scored 28, S Wilson scored 30 in 1995-6. McHugh scored 32 in 2010. Tries in one match. George Dennis 7 in 1933/4. Hope this helps, any queries please post on here

[FRISKY FILLY]

Thanks gabby-- Blackpool is spending his spare time getting these records to put in the programme and on the website.
All my seson by season playing appearances and scorers which were on analysis paper have been computerised by Pat B, and should appear on the website--- like you I can't say they are 100% right but they are to the best of my ability.
Do you still have a copy of the book you publshed, if so it wil be a source of insperation for HIST--- new peope come on board to follow our footsteps, so Blackpool could publish a season by season history of the club. I did this when I edited the programme and we played at Batley, and then Elland Road.

[Blackpool Hawk]

I don't guarantee that they are all 100% correct but probably 99.9% right. I have included records from 1883/4 when the club formed in the rugby union days as two of the Goldthorpes made many appearances in both codes. Goals in a season- Albert scored 300 in the union days plus 692 in league records making 992 [not inc friendlies]. Billy Langton kicked 1045 [not inc Laz cups etc] so he holds that record. Points- Albert scored 2252 but many games were not decided by scores but the number of goals kicked then tries. I have converted all his goals into 2 points [although many were worth 4 or sometimes 3] and his tries into 3 points. Langton scored a total of 2204 [all in league days]. Appearances, Albert made at least 237 in union and 445 at league [total 682], Walter made at least 598 in both codes, Gunney inc subs made 577, Walkington, 567, Dawson 501. Tries- Broughton 193, Snowden 151 NOT Williamson which I think was the main error in the programme. Goals in a match- Albert kicked 14 from 15 attempts plus 4 tries in the union days, totalling 44 points in modern terms.Langton kicked 12 in one game with atry for 27 points but there may have been some better than 12 in recent years, Lumb scored 28 in one game, Pell scored 28, S Wilson scored 30 in 1995-6. McHugh scored 32 in 2010. Tries in one match. George Dennis 7 in 1933/4. Hope this helps, any queries please post on here

Thanks Gabby for this, its a little hard for someone as thick as me to piece together

Could you set out like the below and do you have who against and date for the matches?

Most Tries in a Season =
Most Goals in a Season =
Most Points in a Season
Most Tries in a Match =
Most Goals in a Match =
Most Points in a Match =
Most Apps =
Most Capped Player =
Highest Attendance =

Edited by Blackpool Hawk, 17 September 2012 - 10:26 AM.

[gabby]

Thanks Gabby for this, its a little hard for someone as thick as me to piece together

Could you set out like the below and do you have who against and date for the matches?

Most Tries in a Season =
Most Goals in a Season =
Most Points in a Season
Most Tries in a Match =
Most Goals in a Match =
Most Points in a Match =
Most Apps =
Most Capped Player =
Highest Attendance =

Do you want records from 1883 or 1895 till 1973 or current day? That was what I tried to explain on my previous post.

[Blackpool Hawk]

1883 to current date please Gabby but we could split these up between the old clubs, so 1883 to 1973 then 1974 to 2012?

[Blackpool Hawk]

Any progress on this Gabby?

[gabby]

Any progress on this Gabby?

Been busy. I'm on holiday next Monday so I'll try to get it done before then.

[FRISKY FILLY]

just to clarify when we formed the New Hunslet club in 1973 I asked the RL what I should do about the club records--- I was told that the records from 1883 to 1973 should still count but we should draw a line under these in 1973. From the srart of season 1973-1974 we should start new records but show them side by side with the old ones, which is what we have been doing.

[Hawkwindbag]

OK I'll go ahead and "publish" first and Frisky or Gabby or anybody else interested can have their two pennorth:

"Original" Club, October 1883 to April 1973 ...

Most Tries in a Season = 34 by Allan Snowden, 1956-57
Most Goals in a Season = 151 by Billy Langton, 1958-59
Most Points in a Season = 380 by Billy Langton, 1958-59
Most Tries in a Match = 7 by George Dennis v Bradford Northern, League, 20 January 1934
Most Goals in a Match = 14 by Albert Goldthorpe v Dudley Hill, YRU Cup, 1 March 1890
Most Points in a Match = 46 by Albert Goldthorpe v Dudley Hill, YRU Cup, 1 March 1890 (see below)
Most Apps = 682 by Albert Goldthorpe, 1888-1910 (I've gone with Gabby's figure on this, certainly beats the 579 I have for Geoff Gunney)
Most Capped Player = (Great Britain) 11 by Geoff Gunney, 1954-65
Highest Attendance = 24,700 v Wigan, Challenge Cup 3, 15 March 1924

Regarding most points in a match, comparing scoring feats when we are going back this far is fraught with danger, when methods of scoring - not to mention the game itself - were very different to now.

Hunslet scored 15 tries and 14 goals in that match in 1890, and that's how scores in the Yorkshire Rugby Union were published at that time (in actual fact it was published as 14 goals and 1 try because converted tries didn't count towards the total ).

However back in October 1886 the RFU had ratified a "new" system of three points for a goal and one point for a try (which the YRU chose to ignore, possibly because they were already at loggerheads with the RFU over player payments which would cause the breakaway nine years later). Albert Goldthorpe scored four tries as well as the 14 goals in that match, which adds up to 46 points using the unadopted RFU scoring method in use at the time.

History lesson over ... "new" club records later ...

Edited by Hawkwindbag, 21 September 2012 - 08:51 AM.

[gabby]

OK I'll go ahead and "publish" first and Frisky or Gabby or anybody else interested can have their two pennorth:

"Original" Club, October 1883 to April 1973 ...

Most Tries in a Season = 34 by Allan Snowden, 1956-57
Most Goals in a Season = 151 by Billy Langton, 1958-59
Most Points in a Season = 380 by Billy Langton, 1958-59
Most Tries in a Match = 7 by George Dennis v Bradford Northern, League, 20 January 1934
Most Goals in a Match = 14 by Albert Goldthorpe v Dudley Hill, YRU Cup, 1 March 1890
Most Points in a Match = 46 by Albert Goldthorpe v Dudley Hill, YRU Cup, 1 March 1890 (see below)
Most Apps = 682 by Albert Goldthorpe, 1888-1910 (I've gone with Gabby's figure on this, certainly beats the 579 I have for Geoff Gunney)
Most Capped Player = (Great Britain) 11 by Geoff Gunney, 1954-65
Highest Attendance = 24,700 v Wigan, Challenge Cup 3, 15 March 1924

Regarding most points in a match, comparing scoring feats when we are going back this far is fraught with danger, when methods of scoring - not to mention the game itself - were very different to now.

Hunslet scored 15 tries and 14 goals in that match in 1890, and that's how scores in the Yorkshire Rugby Union were published at that time (in actual fact it was published as 14 goals and 1 try because converted tries didn't count towards the total ).

However back in October 1886 the RFU had ratified a "new" system of three points for a goal and one point for a try (which the YRU chose to ignore, possibly because they were already at loggerheads with the RFU over player payments which would cause the breakaway nine years later). Albert Goldthorpe scored four tries as well as the 14 goals in that match, which adds up to 46 points using the unadopted RFU scoring method in use at the time.

History lesson over ... "new" club records later ...

Almost correct, Langton scored 181 goals not 151, probably a typing error. I personally would count Alberts points as 2 for a goal and 4 for a try as per current figures which would give 44 points in the match, but that is my pesonal opinion. As scoring values are changed, it becomes easier to break old records.

[gabby]

Alberts 4 tries, 14 goals and 44/46 points constitute all 3 records for 1 game. In the union days, i.e. 1883 to 1895, James Goldthorpe scored 19 tries in a season [1891/2], Albert 60 goals [1891/2] and these are seasonal records for that period. Career wise, points cannot be totalled but Charlie Lapping made at least 248 appearances with Albert on 218 approximately. Walter Goldthorpe is still Hunslet's youngest ever player when he appeared in the first team at 15. Career tries J Goldthorpe 73 and career goals Albert 300. 1895 to 1973 to follow

[gabby]

Hawkwindbag has most figures correct, but just to add career totals as follows. Tries in a career, George Broughton 193 [1925/1935], goals, Langton 1045 [1954/1965], points Langton 2204. If you want to spread the figures through the union days, Albert would come top by converting his figures to present day points. 705 union days and 1552 in the professional era. Total 2257. Biggest win 75-5 v Broughton Recs [1896/7] This would convert to 96-6 at current values. Biggest away win 63-7 at Keighley [1959/60] New Hunslet figures to follow.

[Blackpool Hawk]

This is superb, thanks both for your contribution, its great that we can have these stats all the way back to 1883!!

ive started to add to the website based on above (what i can make out of it) http://www.hunsletha...fo/club-records

Can you let us know if im on the right track?

[gabby]

1973 To date figures Tries in a match 6 Willie Swann [2000] and Waine Pryce [2010]
Tries in a season Scott Limb 29 [1994/5]
Tries in a career Graham King 132

Goals in a match Simon Wilson [1995/6] and D March [2010] both with 11
Goals in a season Mike Fletcher 124 [1999]
Goals in a career Eric Fitzsimons 332

Points in a match Wayne McHugh 32 [2010]
points in a season Fitzsimons [1983/4] and Mike Fletcher [1999] both with 264
Points n a career Fitzsimons 740

Tony Dean dropped 34 goals in his career with Hunslet

Record attendance was 14004 v Castleford [1982/3]

I don't make any guarantees with these figures but I hope it helps.

[Hawkwindbag]

1973 To date figures Tries in a match 6 Willie Swann [2000] and Waine Pryce [2010]
Tries in a season Scott Limb 29 [1994/5]
Tries in a career Graham King 132

Goals in a match Simon Wilson [1995/6] and D March [2010] both with 11
Goals in a season Mike Fletcher 124 [1999]
Goals in a career Eric Fitzsimons 332

Points in a match Wayne McHugh 32 [2010]
points in a season Fitzsimons [1983/4] and Mike Fletcher [1999] both with 264
Points n a career Fitzsimons 740

Tony Dean dropped 34 goals in his career with Hunslet

Record attendance was 14004 v Castleford [1982/3]

I don't make any guarantees with these figures but I hope it helps.

They look good to me Gabby, though I was only ever able to make Scott Limb's try tally for that season come to 28, but 29 seems to be the accepted total.

Correct about me erroneously putting 151 for Langton's Goals record when it should have been 181 ... though I have his career as from 1955 to 1966.

In addition, for 1973 onwards:

Appearances = 362 by Mick Coyle, 1990-2005
Win = 86-16 v Gateshead Thunder, Ch 1, 25 July 2010
Defeat = 10-84 v Celtic Crusaders, NL 2, 11 August 2007

There's also something else to add to the Club Honours:

DIVISION TWO PREMIERSHIP
Runners-Up: 1986-87

(Not to be confused with the later Northern Ford Premiership; this was effectively the end-of-season play-offs, and although we were already Division Two Champions, we lost the play-off final to Swinton at Old Trafford.)

[Blackpool Hawk]

Have we got dates for the below:

Most Tries in a Career: 132 by Graham King

Most Goals in a Career: 332 by Eric Fitzsimons

Most Points n a Career 740 by Eric Fitzsimons

[Blackpool Hawk]

updated http://www.hunsletha...fo/club-records