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[Marauder]

Maybe 3 or 4 of the clubs named there could win promotion from division 2 at first attempt so don't see what your problem is. You're just looking for excuses to criticise. Remember this is division 3 so is meant to be a division below anyway. The National League originally was only open to 10 teams with only one club allowed for town. In practice this meant the same 10 clubs every year. Where would we be if we'd stuck to that?

PS the very first BARLA National League included a team from NWCL division 1. I may be wrong but I believe this is the very same Pilkington Recs who are now entering from 3rd in the premier with a very strong set up yet you bizarrely and libellously put that down to an RFL official having played for them

At the introduction of the NCL, how many clubs within BARLA at that time actually fulfilled the criteria, At that time I was playing in the Hull league and one or two clubs never had a pub to go back to, we used to take them back to Rayners on Hessle Road.

[Marauder]

I don't think you are wrong in that assertion. The RFL are a toothless animal in my opinion controlled by the top tier clubs...

As for the potential entrants, good to see my old club Pilks Recs in the mix and Peterlee Pumas who I played against on a few occasions when at Northallerton - they are a great club (and rumoured to have wanted me to play for them!!).

I'll agree as well.

[samsung]

Not formed a view or not prepared to state the dealings between the NCL committee & The RFL?

We are not all daft, It’s looking more and more like a puppet committee with the RFL pulling the strings, the entire principles that made the NCL such a strong and admirable competition are being eroded away by the RFL who if you check can’t even decide on which is the ideal aged group for their Super League teams to run never mind run the amateur game.
You have now or about to recommend 9 clubs to your clubs with the intentions to form a NCL3 with the relegated club from the NCL2, I’d like to know what the NCL contingency plan if one or more of the 9 clubs don’t get voted in by the clubs?
Has the playing standards (No disrespect to some of the applicants) become secondary within the NCL/RFL criteria for the entrance into the NCL.

Marauder - Perhaps you would be told this information if it had anything to do with you. You don't belong to the NCL and your interest in the NCL structure and management is really quite strange.

There must be something else for you to do instead of trolling the NCL Forum and slightly irritating people.

You just look after your own game, and let the NCL look after theirs. In between all that - get a life for God's sake!!

[Marauder]

I haven't. I've simply told you to post where it belongs. It's a wider issue than just for the NCL , who have formed no view on the subject as yet......

Dodging the question simply because I've asked the view of the NCL & not the regional leagues.

[Marauder]

Marauder - Perhaps you would be told this information if it had anything to do with you. You don't belong to the NCL and your interest in the NCL structure and management is really quite strange.

There must be something else for you to do instead of trolling the NCL Forum and slightly irritating people.

You just look after your own game, and let the NCL look after theirs. In between all that - get a life for God's sake!!

Your talking pot as well, because if you've not noticed what ever happens above tends to try and work it's way down.

I do have other things to do, I've just got back from Stallingborough and will be sorting the road tax out later on one of my vehicles, I'll also be loading a vehicle later today for work tomorrow at Chorley

Edited by Marauder, 17 September 2012 - 11:22 AM.

[bowes]

There is one very notable absence from this list. Blackbrook Royals. I expect an application from them would have been accepted but believe they didn't submit one. With the prospect of a weaker league they will likely be a future addition IMO.

Bank Quay are looking to sort their ground out for a future bid.

[LONGMAN]

Questions for Marauder.


1. Why do yoy get involved with NCL business when its clear you dont sweet fanny adams how its run?

2. Do you come on here just to stir it or have you alternatine motives.

3. Why dont you show your distain at the RFl on their web site and let us run our league how we want it to run.

[Marauder]

Questions for Marauder.


1. Why do yoy get involved with NCL business when its clear you dont sweet fanny adams how its run?

2. Do you come on here just to stir it or have you alternatine motives.

3. Why dont you show your distain at the RFl on their web site and let us run our league how we want it to run.

1. This is not a closed shop even though some would like it to be.

2. I'm simply putting an alternative view on what is happening because it's not very transparent is it.

3. Do you really believe your running the NCL (That stopped 15 years ago) SOME INFORMATION & NUMBERS JUST DON'T ADD UP when you take into consideration that the clubs have not yet voted.

[billybison]

The strength of the NCL is IMO has been the criteria, many a side have never applied for the NCL because they fail it on other departments except what I believe to be a very important one (Playing standard)

Marauder, the strengh of the NCL is the criteria. I was chair of a club who,s playing standard were very good but we failed in o ther area,s. It took three years before we were accepted. During that period the NCL gave thier reason,s they would not recomend our acceptance to it,s member,s and outlined what we had to gain acceptance.the nine club,s who failed this time will have been given the reason,s for that decision as we were.

[Marauder]

Marauder, the strengh of the NCL is the criteria. I was chair of a club who,s playing standard were very good but we failed in o ther area,s. It took three years before we were accepted. During that period the NCL gave thier reason,s they would not recomend our acceptance to it,s member,s and outlined what we had to gain acceptance.the nine club,s who failed this time will have been given the reason,s for that decision as we were.

I'm a big fan of The Warriors and I believe the best move at the time of your march back towards the NCL was the appointment of Dean Sampson and obviously the committee pulling together.

Nice for someone to point out how the system works as well.

Edited by Marauder, 17 September 2012 - 07:49 PM.

[billybison]

I'm a big fan of The Warriors and I believe the best move at the time of your march back towards the NCL was the appointment of Dean Sampson and obviously the committee pulling together.

Nice for someone to point out how the system works as well.

Marauder,read my post again no where did i state i was chair of a club seeking to be re-addmitted to the NCL.

[Marauder]

Marauder,read my post again no where did i state i was chair of a club seeking to be re-addmitted to the NCL.

So sorry

[thestatman]

There is one very notable absence from this list. Blackbrook Royals. I expect an application from them would have been accepted but believe they didn't submit one. With the prospect of a weaker league they will likely be a future addition IMO.

Bank Quay are looking to sort their ground out for a future bid.

I wish Blackbrook would apply as we need more NCL teams in St.Helens. However they seem to be happy where they are, sitting making noises about what they'll do to us when they play us.

Just a point of house keeping Blackbrook Royals is the junior section only. The open age section is simply Blackbrook. In theory they are 2 separate entities with different committees, but in all practical terms they are the same club. For the record, I think it is more likely that you will see Newton Storm attempting to join the NCL before Blackbrook apply again. Clock Face Miners are also a team with a good set up, all they are lacking at the moment in regards to set up would be the 2nd team and youth team, but they do have a strong junior set up and in my opinion should be looking up towards Tier 3 in the near future.

On Pilks Recs they will be a credit to the NCL they have an ambitious coaching team in place led by former Super League Player Gaz Haggerty. We played them in the St.Helens Cup Final at Langtree a couple of Wednesday's ago and we had to battle back for 24-12 down at HT to scrape through 38-30 in the 2nd half. They'll face quite a bit of travel in the first season looking at those teams proposed for the division but hopefully they should be in the top three teams in that Division to see themselves up into Div 2 within their first year.

[terryg]

For rugby league to move forward and expand its catchment area, a central governing body is required.
The RFL are a professional body, we adhere to the match-play laws from junior through to senior level which are approved by the RFL.
From what I can see, the operation of the amateur leagues is still being left to their own governing bodies.

What is the problem?

[West Country Eagle]

Other applicants not in the list (and probably destined for a Tier 3 Midlands/South) include Bristol, St Albans, Northampton and a Sheffield side (not Hillsborough). There may also be others - Leicester I think, too.

[bowes]

Other applicants not in the list (and probably destined for a Tier 3 Midlands/South) include Bristol, St Albans, Northampton and a Sheffield side (not Hillsborough). There may also be others - Leicester I think, too.

I may be wrong but think the list was:
Kippax
Bramley
Sheffield side
Warrington Wizards
Leicester
Northampton
St Albans
Bristol
South Wales Hornets

You could add Fryston and maybe Birstall to that to make a NCL4 (with no promotion) but Kippax and Hornets would still pose a problem so a north/south split would be better if unlikely.

[jonnyg28]

I may be wrong but think the list was:
Kippax
Bramley
Sheffield side
Warrington Wizards
Leicester
Northampton
St Albans
Bristol
South Wales Hornets

You could add Fryston and maybe Birstall to that to make a NCL4 (with no promotion) but Kippax and Hornets would still pose a problem so a north/south split would be better if unlikely.

Has a 4th league been mentioned then? Sounds like a good idea.

[bowes]

Has a 4th league been mentioned then? Sounds like a good idea.

Someone mentioned it on another thread but think a southern division is the ideal aim. But if one isn't possible and 10 or even 8 clubs want a national league outside the NCL then it would be reasonable to run one.

[tim2]

I just wish someone would grow a pair and tell every team in a proposed new/updated league at Tier 3 that they get one shot at this - fulfill all fixtures or else you're out next year. No backtracking. This is Tier 3 and all clubs should be being encouraged towards meeting similar criteria to the NCLs as a goal. That starts by fulfilling your ###### fixtures.

[Marauder]

I just wish someone would grow a pair and tell every team in a proposed new/updated league at Tier 3 that they get one shot at this - fulfill all fixtures or else you're out next year. No backtracking. This is Tier 3 and all clubs should be being encouraged towards meeting similar criteria to the NCLs as a goal. That starts by fulfilling your ###### fixtures.

That would go a long way to convincing a lot of heartland clubs that Tier 3 is worth leaving a top premier, championship or 1st division in a lower (on paper) tier 4 competition.