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[longboard]

As would I if there was a programme into the effects of drinking cider.

Cider, particularly scrumpy, has been associated with brain damage in the past.

[West Country Eagle]

MDMA has been around for a hundred years but little was done with it for most of that time.

There has been some research involving its use, alongside psychological therapies. There are some views that it might be efficacious in assisting people with psychological problems who have difficulty talking about them, for example people with PTSD. Given its association with raves and deaths of young people, it has been very difficult to get funding for extensive research.

Most of the deaths usually aren't actually from the drug itself, but rather people drinking too much water and OD'ing on the stuff (water toxification). That's not to say it doesn't cause harm, because there are issues. We still don't know enough about the long term effects of hardened use. I'm sure in a few years we'll see people who took far too much in the early 1990s, and every weekend for years, with depression problems. You can't mess with seotonin levels (is that right?) that much over a long time scale without it having some kind of effect.

[chuffer]

MDMA is good in the right environment, in a nightclub with music you really like surrounded by friends it was ace from memory. Never had any notable negative side effects though I only ever used it periodically. I'd have thought it could possibly be used in some way to help people suffering from depression.

i actually believe it can have an adverse effect on mental health.....once the "honeymoon period" is over and can cause depression when overdone regularly, esp whem mixed with other drugs.....i speak from first hand experience......i would be interested to see the findings of research looking into what happens long term to seretonin levels of users as its been suggested that depression may result from potential depletion due to over stimulation

[longboard]

Most of the deaths usually aren't actually from the drug itself, but rather people drinking too much water and OD'ing on the stuff (water toxification). That's not to say it doesn't cause harm, because there are issues. We still don't know enough about the long term effects of hardened use. I'm sure in a few years we'll see people who took far too much in the early 1990s, and every weekend for years, with depression problems. You can't mess with seotonin levels (is that right?) that much over a long time scale without it having some kind of effect.

The moral panic in the media outlets that the deaths caused has made it very difficult to obtain funding for testing MDMA's therapeutic efficacy.

Yes, there is a concern about the impact of long term use on cognitive functioning.

Of course it is very difficult to conduct controlled longitudinal research into psycho-active drugs and there are many complications, such as the use of other drugs.

Edited by longboard, 20 September 2012 - 09:44 PM.

[steef]

As someone who frequently plays records to people in clubs, I have to say that I'd prefer a crowd full of smiling, MDMA-taking types to a crowd of drunken people. They'd also be preferable to a room full of people who had been dabbling in the devil's dandruff. Or horse tranquiliser for that matter.

That's if I had a choice, which I don't.

Cocaine and alcohol are much bigger problems in this day and age than MDMA. It's much less prevalent on the scene than it once was.

spot on

[Johnoco]

Alcohol is used on a massive scale. Yes, this means lots of dickheads are involved but that's due to the sheer scale of participation.

If we had similar numbers on 'drugs' we would have total chaos, not a load of chilled out hippies saying 'peace man'

I've just found out my sister in laws first son (from a previous marriage) has been found dead aged 40. He started out having a few spliffs...

[Johnoco]

Cider, particularly scrumpy, has been associated with brain damage in the past.

That's crazy talk.

[steef]

Alcohol is used on a massive scale. Yes, this means lots of dickheads are involved but that's due to the sheer scale of participation.

If we had similar numbers on 'drugs' we would have total chaos, not a load of chilled out hippies saying 'peace man'

I've just found out my sister in laws first son (from a previous marriage) has been found dead aged 40. He started out having a few spliffs...

In any way you can measure alcohol is a more harmful drug than virtually all illegal drugs. If it were to be discovered today there would be zero chance of it ever being legal, it'd be a class A drug maybe even A+. Many drugs would be considerably safer, however, if they were legal and government regulated.

[Johnoco]

In any way you can measure alcohol is a more harmful drug than virtually all illegal drugs. If it were to be discovered today there would be zero chance of it ever being legal, it'd be a class A drug maybe even A+. Many drugs would be considerably safer, however, if they were legal and government regulated.

True but it's here and we can't un-invent it. We seemed to have ambled along (in the main) for hundreds of years using alcohol without everyone going crazy. That's not to say there aren't lots of problems associated with drinking because there are, but it's down to the sheer size of numbers that partake.

I used to be into doing acid and magic mushrooms and thought they were brilliant. Until I had a bad acid trip at a festival and almost totally freaked out. Most of my mates were unaffected and continued for years thinking it was great. Several are now dead or virtual cabbages...I exaggerate not. Without exception everyone started with a few spliffs and said 'it calms me down' 'there's less trouble with people on drugs' etc

In my experience, the majority of people wanting things like cannabis legalised are well off lawyers or middle class professionals who want to smoke it without the hassle of getting taken to court. And have no regard for the misery it causes elsewhere. That might sound hypocritical coming from a drinker, and probably is, but as I say, if the number of people on drugs was anything like the numbers that drink, then....

[Marauder]

How many deaths of British and coalition forces can be linked with certain recreational drugs being taken in this country.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

In any way you can measure alcohol is a more harmful drug than virtually all illegal drugs. If it were to be discovered today there would be zero chance of it ever being legal, it'd be a class A drug maybe even A+. Many drugs would be considerably safer, however, if they were legal and government regulated.

the circumstances in which alcohol can be consumed are strictly and clearly deifined.
There are more circumstances in which alcohol consumption is illegal than legal.

Even so alcohol qbuse(much of it illegal) is a major social and health problem.
this hardly justifies the consumption of another potentially harmful substance.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

How many deaths of British and coalition forces can be linked with certain recreational drugs being taken in this country.

do you mean drunken violence in UK garrison towns?

[hindle xiii]

Cider, particularly scrumpy, has been associated with brain damage in the past.

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[longboard]

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Edited by longboard, 21 September 2012 - 08:02 AM.

[Johnoco]

That clip is from Crackerjack or something. Can you imagine them having it on a kids show now?


Not that there are any similar shows for kids today.

[longboard]

That clip is from Crackerjack or something. Can you imagine them having it on a kids show now?


Not that there are any similar shows for kids today.

Looked like Top of the Pops to me.

Careful with the cider now.

[Johnoco]

Looked like Top of the Pops to me.

Careful with the cider now.

You're right, I thought it was another clip.

Er, not that I trawl YT looking for Wurzels videos.

Mind you I did see a remix of Combine Harvester and 'Jump Around' once, it was class.

[JohnM]

In any way you can measure alcohol is a more harmful drug than virtually all illegal drugs.

You are wrong at every level.

I have direct personal experience of how the use of illegal drugs ruins many lives beyond repair and results in the murder of innocent people.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

You are wrong at every level.

I have direct personal experience of how the use of illegal drugs ruins many lives beyond repair and results in the murder of innocent people.

here here, and not forgetting that alcohol is an illegal drug as well and has taken away and/or ruined lives. The idea of alcohol being 'legal' is a myth.

[chuffer]

here here, and not forgetting that alcohol is an illegal drug as well and has taken away and/or ruined lives. The idea of alcohol being 'legal' is a myth.

how so?