Pulled this off the main forum if its right how are they going to work it to make it viable?, 8 home league games cannot be enough to sustain semi-pro rugby, I am not including the trains cup because i cannot see enough people turning out in Jan/Feb (whichever month they decide to start it) to watch a student team to cover the costs of the floodlights
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Only 9 Teams for C1 next year ?
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Posté 21 septembre 2012 - 08:19
There are no student teams. The more people say it the more people start to believe it as true and the less likely people will turn up.
Self fulfilling prophecy.
Self fulfilling prophecy.
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!
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Posté 21 septembre 2012 - 08:25
There are no student teams. The more people say it the more people start to believe it as true and the less likely people will turn up.
Self fulfilling prophecy.
Ok not student teams but one affilated to the university of Glostershire, another affiliated to Oxford university.Its still only 9 teams wirh only Rochdale within 50 miles.
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Posté 21 septembre 2012 - 10:01
Not sure the Oxford side is affiliated with a Uni?
Though at same time not sure what problem would be if they was, 1000's of potential customers, top class training facilities, aspiring development officers/PE teachers, sports science students, dual playing incentives (education plus an income), sponsorship....
Though at same time not sure what problem would be if they was, 1000's of potential customers, top class training facilities, aspiring development officers/PE teachers, sports science students, dual playing incentives (education plus an income), sponsorship....
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!
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Posté 22 septembre 2012 - 07:40
,Not sure the Oxford side is affiliated with a Uni?
Though at same time not sure what problem would be if they was, 1000's of potential customers, top class training facilities, aspiring development officers/PE teachers, sports science students, dual playing incentives (education plus an income), sponsorship....
They will be playing at Iffley Rd the oxford uni RU stadium, one of the directors is the former Leeds met chancellor who brokered the CC sponsorship, the facilities will be fine for them but its another 4-500 mile round trip with no prospect of any away fans coming the other way.
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Posté 22 septembre 2012 - 07:52
All disappearing 3 months of the summerNot sure the Oxford side is affiliated with a Uni?
Though at same time not sure what problem would be if they was, 1000's of potential customers, top class training facilities, aspiring development officers/PE teachers, sports science students, dual playing incentives (education plus an income), sponsorship....
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Posté 22 septembre 2012 - 08:36
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Have to agree this is very dissapointing .....and we may well see Chris Hamilton make himself redundant over the next 12 months .........
Like roughyed8 says .... 8 homes league fixtures is no good at all ......when i started watchin the yedz at Watersheddings they played around 40 to 46 matches a season ..... including the Lancs Cup and TV comp, so thats on average 20 to 23 home fixtures a season, as compared to a possible 11 or 12 next season ........Just not enough to generate any interest EVEN IF they win every game. Have to agree with Bedford Roughyed in as much as Oldham will have the worst facilities by far for both spectators and players. . . . and if Mr Hamilton continues to run the club the way he has for the last 13 years , we will be mid table .....AGAIN
Have to agree this is very dissapointing .....and we may well see Chris Hamilton make himself redundant over the next 12 months .........
Like roughyed8 says .... 8 homes league fixtures is no good at all ......when i started watchin the yedz at Watersheddings they played around 40 to 46 matches a season ..... including the Lancs Cup and TV comp, so thats on average 20 to 23 home fixtures a season, as compared to a possible 11 or 12 next season ........Just not enough to generate any interest EVEN IF they win every game. Have to agree with Bedford Roughyed in as much as Oldham will have the worst facilities by far for both spectators and players. . . . and if Mr Hamilton continues to run the club the way he has for the last 13 years , we will be mid table .....AGAIN
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Posté 23 septembre 2012 - 07:12
As the RFL haven't released full details it could be that the fixtures are moved around and you could play some teams more than twice, not ideal but from a financial point of view crucial. You have to forget about away fans and and treat them as a bonus and start to build back up the home support as you won't get many travelling next season. I don't envy the task but keep battling and you will come through the other side.
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Posté 23 septembre 2012 - 10:51
What a joke of a league, nobody in thier right mind is going to travel to these away matches to watch 80 minutes of what could be nothing better than amatuer rugby.
The RFL have killed the game, I started watching the game when I was 5 years old, I played for many years and been an ardant supporter all my life now I would sooner watch tiddlywinks than watch this shambles.
The RFL have killed the game, I started watching the game when I was 5 years old, I played for many years and been an ardant supporter all my life now I would sooner watch tiddlywinks than watch this shambles.
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Posté 23 septembre 2012 - 06:53
Rugby League as a sport no longer has any credibilty. Super League is a closed shop to the extent that a bankrupt club is allowed to re-form and retain its place. No such concession to Oldham 1997 even though everyone knew PSG were going to fold.
Championship One now a glorified amateur set-up with no guarantee that some of its member clubs can reach the standard of teams like Thatto Heath, Siddal, Wigan St. Patrick's etc. etc. Without playing each team three times (20 fixtures) the league isn't viable.
Meanwhile the amateur game is a shambles. Yorkshire sides seem to have turned their backs on Summer rugby while North West Counties teams are postponing games left, right and centre. And the North West winter league seems to consist of 10 sides which are almost certainly totally mismatched. In the meantime individual players are trying to play both summer and winter leagues despite the ridiculous overlapping of the seasons. Failing that doubling up RL and RU is prevalent and none of this is conducive to players' health and welfare.
As for junior rugby the honour of town team rugby is dead and junior leagues are in disarray with some sides not having played for 8 weeks of the so-called summer league.
Check the various senior and junior leagues and note that virtually every score of 18-0, 24-0 or 30-0 means the fixture was not fulfilled (the score difference varies from league to league)
So does all this suggest to you a game in rude health? And that's without delving into the finances of the RFL and its 'professional' and semi-professional member clubs.
Championship One now a glorified amateur set-up with no guarantee that some of its member clubs can reach the standard of teams like Thatto Heath, Siddal, Wigan St. Patrick's etc. etc. Without playing each team three times (20 fixtures) the league isn't viable.
Meanwhile the amateur game is a shambles. Yorkshire sides seem to have turned their backs on Summer rugby while North West Counties teams are postponing games left, right and centre. And the North West winter league seems to consist of 10 sides which are almost certainly totally mismatched. In the meantime individual players are trying to play both summer and winter leagues despite the ridiculous overlapping of the seasons. Failing that doubling up RL and RU is prevalent and none of this is conducive to players' health and welfare.
As for junior rugby the honour of town team rugby is dead and junior leagues are in disarray with some sides not having played for 8 weeks of the so-called summer league.
Check the various senior and junior leagues and note that virtually every score of 18-0, 24-0 or 30-0 means the fixture was not fulfilled (the score difference varies from league to league)
So does all this suggest to you a game in rude health? And that's without delving into the finances of the RFL and its 'professional' and semi-professional member clubs.
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Posté 23 septembre 2012 - 07:37
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 06:44
Rugby League as a sport no longer has any credibilty. Super League is a closed shop to the extent that a bankrupt club is allowed to re-form and retain its place. No such concession to Oldham 1997 even though everyone knew PSG were going to fold.
Championship One now a glorified amateur set-up with no guarantee that some of its member clubs can reach the standard of teams like Thatto Heath, Siddal, Wigan St. Patrick's etc. etc. Without playing each team three times (20 fixtures) the league isn't viable.
Meanwhile the amateur game is a shambles. Yorkshire sides seem to have turned their backs on Summer rugby while North West Counties teams are postponing games left, right and centre. And the North West winter league seems to consist of 10 sides which are almost certainly totally mismatched. In the meantime individual players are trying to play both summer and winter leagues despite the ridiculous overlapping of the seasons. Failing that doubling up RL and RU is prevalent and none of this is conducive to players' health and welfare.
As for junior rugby the honour of town team rugby is dead and junior leagues are in disarray with some sides not having played for 8 weeks of the so-called summer league.
Check the various senior and junior leagues and note that virtually every score of 18-0, 24-0 or 30-0 means the fixture was not fulfilled (the score difference varies from league to league)
So does all this suggest to you a game in rude health? And that's without delving into the finances of the RFL and its 'professional' and semi-professional member clubs.
Spot on - the game is in a complete mess from top to bottom.
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 09:09
Donqixote, top post mate, hit the nail on the head in every department. Send it to the League Weekly and League Express!
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 10:11
Who makes the decisions in Rugby Leage these days is it The RFLK, Sky or the Super League clubs themeselves. They have a nice cozy set up which they dont want disturbing and the rest dont seem to matter.
The new formula for the championship will do nothing for Oldham and Rochdale. They are two of the oldest clubs in Rugby League and the RFL should have included us in the Championship to make a league of around 17 teams.10 from Yorkshire 4 from Lancashire and 3 from Cumbria.If you add Gateshead you would have 18 teams. Split them into regions ie Lancs/Cumbria and Yorkshire with Halifax and Keighley joining the Lancs/Cumbria region
we would have nine in each section playing home and away with each team playing two from the other group home and away would give you twenty matches. The Northern Rail trophy could be done on the old County cups in a knockout with the winners playing each other.
The Championship one could then be used as a proper development area to include the three new clubs plus the two Welsh teams and London Scholars.
bring one in from the Midlands and expand to Norfork etc down the East side. A League of 8 with a knockout competition could give them twenty matches.
This could be run on a three year system like Super League which would give clubs time to stabalise their finances etc.
It would also cut down on travelling for the clubs in CH Div 1
The new formula for the championship will do nothing for Oldham and Rochdale. They are two of the oldest clubs in Rugby League and the RFL should have included us in the Championship to make a league of around 17 teams.10 from Yorkshire 4 from Lancashire and 3 from Cumbria.If you add Gateshead you would have 18 teams. Split them into regions ie Lancs/Cumbria and Yorkshire with Halifax and Keighley joining the Lancs/Cumbria region
we would have nine in each section playing home and away with each team playing two from the other group home and away would give you twenty matches. The Northern Rail trophy could be done on the old County cups in a knockout with the winners playing each other.
The Championship one could then be used as a proper development area to include the three new clubs plus the two Welsh teams and London Scholars.
bring one in from the Midlands and expand to Norfork etc down the East side. A League of 8 with a knockout competition could give them twenty matches.
This could be run on a three year system like Super League which would give clubs time to stabalise their finances etc.
It would also cut down on travelling for the clubs in CH Div 1
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 10:29
Much to sensible a idea for it to be taken up some very good ideas
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 11:00
someone should nominate one of the RFL bigwigs to take part in the show 'Undercover Boss' If you havent seen it, basically the premise is....a CEO of a multinational company pretends to be some anonymous Joe Bloggs type common or garden member of the public taking part in a documentary (they change their names and wear a bit of a disguise!) to see who is better at a particular job between 2 people.
They get to go round the very lower echelons of their business and 'sample' the various jobs within their corporation at grass roots level, being treated and spoken to as if they were anyone......usually filching out info from the employees about what they REALLY think about the state of the corporation/company and what improvements/suggestions they would make or think should be made.
at the end of the programme, the 'Undercover boss' reveals himself to the startled employees.....and then does things like ask them to be on an advisory committee to improve things for the business, or implements their idea and gives them a bit of money for the idea...that sort of stuff.
I think that the RFL need to be down at the bottom, working inside the smaller/lower clubs to see just what their fat cat shenanigins, and unfair decisions are doing to the game.
do you reckon that if they were approached, that they would stand up and be counted and take part!!
They get to go round the very lower echelons of their business and 'sample' the various jobs within their corporation at grass roots level, being treated and spoken to as if they were anyone......usually filching out info from the employees about what they REALLY think about the state of the corporation/company and what improvements/suggestions they would make or think should be made.
at the end of the programme, the 'Undercover boss' reveals himself to the startled employees.....and then does things like ask them to be on an advisory committee to improve things for the business, or implements their idea and gives them a bit of money for the idea...that sort of stuff.
I think that the RFL need to be down at the bottom, working inside the smaller/lower clubs to see just what their fat cat shenanigins, and unfair decisions are doing to the game.
do you reckon that if they were approached, that they would stand up and be counted and take part!!
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 11:53
IMO the ideal situation would have been to include Hemel but look to more new sides in the heartlands, ideally 7 to make 14 teams but would be much stronger than the 9 team league next year. Oxford and All Golds have strong off field set ups but I have no idea where the players would come from. Then focus on creating a strong amateur southern league equivalent to say the lower divisions of the NCL.Who makes the decisions in Rugby Leage these days is it The RFLK, Sky or the Super League clubs themeselves. They have a nice cozy set up which they dont want disturbing and the rest dont seem to matter.
The new formula for the championship will do nothing for Oldham and Rochdale. They are two of the oldest clubs in Rugby League and the RFL should have included us in the Championship to make a league of around 17 teams.10 from Yorkshire 4 from Lancashire and 3 from Cumbria.If you add Gateshead you would have 18 teams. Split them into regions ie Lancs/Cumbria and Yorkshire with Halifax and Keighley joining the Lancs/Cumbria region
we would have nine in each section playing home and away with each team playing two from the other group home and away would give you twenty matches. The Northern Rail trophy could be done on the old County cups in a knockout with the winners playing each other.
The Championship one could then be used as a proper development area to include the three new clubs plus the two Welsh teams and London Scholars.
bring one in from the Midlands and expand to Norfork etc down the East side. A League of 8 with a knockout competition could give them twenty matches.
This could be run on a three year system like Super League which would give clubs time to stabalise their finances etc.
It would also cut down on travelling for the clubs in CH Div 1
The NW Men's League seems to have a problem specifically with reserve teams so I expect eventually they'll move the bulk of them into their own divisions (been tried in the past). The winter league looks awful and dual registration between a winter and summer club is a joke for the reasons you state. As for the Yorkshire summer league I can't really see any redeeming features to it but there really does need to be a place for NCL reserve teams in the same season.
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 12:27
Who makes the decisions in Rugby Leage these days is it The RFLK, Sky or the Super League clubs themeselves. They have a nice cozy set up which they dont want disturbing and the rest dont seem to matter.
The new formula for the championship will do nothing for Oldham and Rochdale. They are two of the oldest clubs in Rugby League and the RFL should have included us in the Championship to make a league of around 17 teams.10 from Yorkshire 4 from Lancashire and 3 from Cumbria.If you add Gateshead you would have 18 teams. Split them into regions ie Lancs/Cumbria and Yorkshire with Halifax and Keighley joining the Lancs/Cumbria region
we would have nine in each section playing home and away with each team playing two from the other group home and away would give you twenty matches. The Northern Rail trophy could be done on the old County cups in a knockout with the winners playing each other.
The Championship one could then be used as a proper development area to include the three new clubs plus the two Welsh teams and London Scholars.
bring one in from the Midlands and expand to Norfork etc down the East side. A League of 8 with a knockout competition could give them twenty matches.
This could be run on a three year system like Super League which would give clubs time to stabalise their finances etc.
It would also cut down on travelling for the clubs in CH Div 1
Decent idea HR. Oldham and Rochdale are being slaughtered by the new set-up. It can only work if heavily subsidised but the RFL keep saying they have no money which is hardly surprising after bailing out Bradford Bulls who should by rights be in the division with Oldham and Rochdale (as with the exaple set in Scotland with Glasgow Rangers). But the RFL don't have the guts for tough decisions. Wakefield Wildcats are another example of a club in a division they should have been removed from.
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 01:53
oh my im so glad the Raiders got out of that league...Good luck guys !
Raiders have risen from the ashes
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 02:33
As I understand it the 9 team league will see each team play each other home and away in the league table giving 8 home games.
In the NR Cup, Oxford are not taking part and the other 8 teams are to be split in to two groups of 4 teams. Each team will play the other 3 teams in the group home and away giving another 3 home games per team. The top teams in each group then go forward to the NR Cup Knockout stages with the 14 Championship clubs, so with luck of the draw there could be home games there and the same in the RL Challenge Cup, depending on the luck of the draw.
It was stated some time a go that all travelling expenses in the Championship 1 next season would be covered by the RFL as well.
In the NR Cup, Oxford are not taking part and the other 8 teams are to be split in to two groups of 4 teams. Each team will play the other 3 teams in the group home and away giving another 3 home games per team. The top teams in each group then go forward to the NR Cup Knockout stages with the 14 Championship clubs, so with luck of the draw there could be home games there and the same in the RL Challenge Cup, depending on the luck of the draw.
It was stated some time a go that all travelling expenses in the Championship 1 next season would be covered by the RFL as well.
I remember when .............................
"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimesion, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave hadfield - Independent 25th Augsut 1996.
"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimesion, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave hadfield - Independent 25th Augsut 1996.
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