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[hindle xiii]

Are you on about the Rotts or Gary's lasses?

English Balloonhead Terriers.

[Severus]

No, the keeping of a wild animal for companionship, and then not expecting it to resort to type if you are threatened, is absurd.

Whether you like it or not, or agree with it or not, a dog that you have integrated as part of your family will respond accordingly if that family is threatened. To expect it to do anything less is ridiculous.

Dogs have been tamed, and can be trained, but you can't take the dog out of a dog.

My breed of dog appears nowhere in the list of dog bite statistics, but I am realistic enough to accept that, given the right circumstances, it would.

TBH I'm agreeing with everything you are saying. The issue is that Phil seemed to take pleasure in seeing his dog lose control and also rewarded his dog for doing so. A well trained and looked after dog may lose control if provoked, but its not something to take pleasure in.

[Phil]

to put a bit of perspective here, I've just counted up the number of dogs i've owned/had as companions since childhood. It comes to 36!! (surprised me but thats the figure) these, as I've stated include 57 varieties mongrels, Jack Russels, Greyhound Lurchers, Rhodesian Ridgebacks and yes, Rottweilers. In all that time only one of these dogs has bitten/attacked anyone. That was Butch our Boxer who bit a guy who attacked my dad in his pub when I was a kid. This guy was going for my dad with a bottle after being asked to leave because of his aggresive behaviour. He reported the bite to the police who told him he should consider himself lucky that was all that happened to him.

So all in all I reckon I can claim to be a responsible dog owner. My wife is a veterinary nurse who has dealt with dogs off all breeds all her working life. (she claims incidentally that cocker spaniels are the worst breed for biting she has ever encountered).

Our previous rottweiler Jess was praised by our vet for being "such a great example of the species"

a dog is a pack animal, it will defend it's pack (owner). This wasn't just some passing stranger, he was clearly ###### and lurching over the road, at this point Roxy was already in "alert" mode as he approached I could smell the beer off him so Obviously Roxy could. She also, as did I, picked up on his aggressive body language and as he got to about two feet away he bent down and growled, very loudly, right in her face. some dogs may have been cowed by this but Rotties are known and bred for loyalty and courage, she reacted by protecting both herself and me, she leapt forward snarling and growling, yeah she almost caught me on the hop, almost, she leapt to the full extent of her lead and was jerked back when it went taught, these are incredibly strong dogs, at 6 months old she pulls me across the floor when playing tug of war.

I'm sorry some of you don't like this, i'm sorry that I've probably acted aggressively on here but i felt (with some justification I believe) that i was under attack from some forum members (I'm not a moron) at the end of all this I still believe my dog did the right thing in defending me, she was reacting not proacting. I'm sorry that the OP appeared "triumphalist (sp?) I would certainly reword it now, but its there as a matter of history.

[hindle xiii]

<snip> I would certainly reword it now, but its there as a matter of history.

I think you just did.

[chuffer]

No, the keeping of a wild animal for companionship, and then not expecting it to resort to type if you are threatened, is absurd.

Whether you like it or not, or agree with it or not, a dog that you have integrated as part of your family will respond accordingly if that family is threatened. To expect it to do anything less is ridiculous.

Dogs have been tamed, and can be trained, but you can't take the dog out of a dog.

I agree

[Saint Billinge]

Is this going to surpass the "Do lobsters feel pain' thread.

[Severus]

to put a bit of perspective here, I've just counted up the number of dogs i've owned/had as companions since childhood. It comes to 36!! (surprised me but thats the figure) these, as I've stated include 57 varieties mongrels, Jack Russels, Greyhound Lurchers, Rhodesian Ridgebacks and yes, Rottweilers. In all that time only one of these dogs has bitten/attacked anyone. That was Butch our Boxer who bit a guy who attacked my dad in his pub when I was a kid. This guy was going for my dad with a bottle after being asked to leave because of his aggresive behaviour. He reported the bite to the police who told him he should consider himself lucky that was all that happened to him.

So all in all I reckon I can claim to be a responsible dog owner. My wife is a veterinary nurse who has dealt with dogs off all breeds all her working life. (she claims incidentally that cocker spaniels are the worst breed for biting she has ever encountered).

Our previous rottweiler Jess was praised by our vet for being "such a great example of the species"

a dog is a pack animal, it will defend it's pack (owner). This wasn't just some passing stranger, he was clearly ###### and lurching over the road, at this point Roxy was already in "alert" mode as he approached I could smell the beer off him so Obviously Roxy could. She also, as did I, picked up on his aggressive body language and as he got to about two feet away he bent down and growled, very loudly, right in her face. some dogs may have been cowed by this but Rotties are known and bred for loyalty and courage, she reacted by protecting both herself and me, she leapt forward snarling and growling, yeah she almost caught me on the hop, almost, she leapt to the full extent of her lead and was jerked back when it went taught, these are incredibly strong dogs, at 6 months old she pulls me across the floor when playing tug of war.

I'm sorry some of you don't like this, i'm sorry that I've probably acted aggressively on here but i felt (with some justification I believe) that i was under attack from some forum members (I'm not a moron) at the end of all this I still believe my dog did the right thing in defending me, she was reacting not proacting. I'm sorry that the OP appeared "triumphalist (sp?) I would certainly reword it now, but its there as a matter of history.

Put in those words is a world of difference from the OP.

[Charlie Parker]

to put a bit of perspective here, I've just counted up the number of dogs i've owned/had as companions since childhood. It comes to 36!! (surprised me but thats the figure) these, as I've stated include 57 varieties mongrels, Jack Russels, Greyhound Lurchers, Rhodesian Ridgebacks and yes, Rottweilers. In all that time only one of these dogs has bitten/attacked anyone. That was Butch our Boxer who bit a guy who attacked my dad in his pub when I was a kid. This guy was going for my dad with a bottle after being asked to leave because of his aggresive behaviour. He reported the bite to the police who told him he should consider himself lucky that was all that happened to him.

So all in all I reckon I can claim to be a responsible dog owner. My wife is a veterinary nurse who has dealt with dogs off all breeds all her working life. (she claims incidentally that cocker spaniels are the worst breed for biting she has ever encountered).

Our previous rottweiler Jess was praised by our vet for being "such a great example of the species"

a dog is a pack animal, it will defend it's pack (owner). This wasn't just some passing stranger, he was clearly ###### and lurching over the road, at this point Roxy was already in "alert" mode as he approached I could smell the beer off him so Obviously Roxy could. She also, as did I, picked up on his aggressive body language and as he got to about two feet away he bent down and growled, very loudly, right in her face. some dogs may have been cowed by this but Rotties are known and bred for loyalty and courage, she reacted by protecting both herself and me, she leapt forward snarling and growling, yeah she almost caught me on the hop, almost, she leapt to the full extent of her lead and was jerked back when it went taught, these are incredibly strong dogs, at 6 months old she pulls me across the floor when playing tug of war.

I'm sorry some of you don't like this, i'm sorry that I've probably acted aggressively on here but i felt (with some justification I believe) that i was under attack from some forum members (I'm not a moron) at the end of all this I still believe my dog did the right thing in defending me, she was reacting not proacting. I'm sorry that the OP appeared "triumphalist (sp?) I would certainly reword it now, but its there as a matter of history.

Well said, and I am glad, despite the protests of at least one member of this forum, that I joined your corner in this debate.

If you would rather I hadn't then I apologise.

[Phil]

Well said, and I am glad, despite the protests of at least one member of this forum, that I joined your corner in this debate.

If you would rather I hadn't then I apologise.

not at all, thank you

[l'angelo mysterioso]

Well said, and I am glad, despite the protests of at least one member of this forum, that I joined your corner in this debate.

If you would rather I hadn't then I apologise.

Nobody has made any such 'protest' as far as I can see. Perhaps you can point out the offending post

[T-Dub]

I'm big enough and ugly enough

Ive found something I agree with you about Phil!

Dont like dogs, associate them with a neighbours dog jumping up at me as a young child and the owner saying 'shes just being friendly' as if I hadnt been terrified

Mrs Dub does like dogs, prefers them to people. As a nurse, over the years shes met a lot of horrible people

Dogs dont speak human, they also have minds of their own and sharp teeth, which makes them all potentially dangerous

[hindle xiii]

Dogs like yes or no - yes you can go on the sofa, or no you can't - not sometimes. Which is why I was a bit concerned with Phil praising his dog for the action, especially if it was within a few seconds after. I know he said he gave her a "special treat" when they got home but I doubt she would associate that act with the reward at home.

[Gary Coyle]

Is this going to surpass the "Do lobsters feel pain' thread.

Yes, but only if mauled by Phils dog

[Charlie Parker]

Nobody has made any such 'protest' as far as I can see. Perhaps you can point out the offending post

You only need to go a few posts back. Find it yourself.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

You only need to go a few posts back. Find it yourself.

you are making the allegation: back it up.

[chuffer]

you are making the allegation: back it up.

The tone of your replies suggest you believe he's aiming the allagation at you?......why would that be?

[John Drake]

Is this going to surpass the "Do lobsters feel pain' thread.

No.