120 replies to this topic

[gillmeister]

I think everyone thought when Bramley reformed that they would be aiming for a return back to the professional ranks and they have had alot of years to do that but it seems they have always build there foundations on quick sand. The way they recruited etc would work in the pro game but to be based on elite players from an area that have loyalties to other clubs will only work if they are either out of season or being paid. I have met Martyn cheney through the supporters direct network and believe that there business model is the way forward for amateur clubs and low end professional ones but in all fairness are Bramley meeting the criteria thats been set out???

[Marauder]

I also have respect for the junior players at Rodley, and every player who graces our great game.

I have no respect for clubs who dont get of their fat arses and attempt to better their selves by attracting new players be it open age/yoiuth or juniors but would prefer to poach or take over other clubs to reach their goal.

We don't have that problem being a little village team 14 miles from the nearest amateur team.

[Marauder]

I think everyone thought when Bramley reformed that they would be aiming for a return back to the professional ranks and they have had alot of years to do that but it seems they have always build there foundations on quick sand. The way they recruited etc would work in the pro game but to be based on elite players from an area that have loyalties to other clubs will only work if they are either out of season or being paid. I have met Martyn cheney through the supporters direct network and believe that there business model is the way forward for amateur clubs and low end professional ones but in all fairness are Bramley meeting the criteria thats been set out???

It was obvious that Bramley where looking to build for a return to the Pro ranks, but did the NCL going summer so quickly put the mockers on Bramleys plans leaving them victims and nowhere to really go
.

[bowes]

It was obvious that Bramley where looking to build for a return to the Pro ranks, but did the NCL going summer so quickly put the mockers on Bramleys plans leaving them victims and nowhere to really go
.

In part but the club had already started to lose momentum

[thestatman]

It was obvious that Bramley where looking to build for a return to the Pro ranks, but did the NCL going summer so quickly put the mockers on Bramleys plans leaving them victims and nowhere to really go.

Well for a change I agree with you. They have become victims of circumstance, but the way the club has chosen to deal with it is not going to win them any sympathy.

[Marauder]

Well for a change I agree with you. They have become victims of circumstance, but the way the club has chosen to deal with it is not going to win them any sympathy.

Bet you didn't agree with me on the 31/December/1994 either (How time flies)

I feel the changeover happened that quickly that they never had the chance to put into place a contingency plan (If they had one) this was reflected on their sudden downturn in results.

Their inability to find an acceptable ground early in their rebirth has probably cost them as much as anything and if they had been allowed to move in with Farsley Celtic they could have been looking at Championship 1 next season.

[maxwel]

LONGMAN there is nowhere that mentions in the criteria that groundshare is a problem, as i eluded to before it has happened i believe in the ncl with 2 leigh clubs ? we failed to play 1 game in 2 years. Has no ncl team ever failed to fulfill a fixture ? i was looking at some scores from previous years and there are 24-0 scores in there, could be coincidence i know. we are working to club mark and there are other teams that have not got clubmark. we have got a affiliation with a junior team ( which is what it says on the ncl site) And we have no second team at the moment.

The point is it would have been nice to have had contact from the NCL instead of finding out on here,I think thats the most galling about it all, no chance to try and put our case to anyone as we have not spoken to anyone at the ncl management at all.

Could you please state which Leigh clubs and when they shared a ground?

[ROOSTER1980]

What does "Ties to a junior club" mean? Does that mean they are NOT part of your club as it stands. I think in that lies your answer. A number of years ago Eccles were in the same predicament, as to Thatto Heath and they merged with existing junior set ups to create one club, then they would fulfill the requirements of NCL.

Point of correction, Eccles were not in the same predicament, and Salford Juniors' merger with Eccles came long after Eccles entered the NCL. Eccles joined the NCL in 1994 with an existing youth & junior section, whilst they "adopted" an almost defunct Salford Juniors in 2002.

[TaxiEgg]

Point of correction, Eccles were not in the same predicament, and Salford Juniors' merger with Eccles came long after Eccles entered the NCL. Eccles joined the NCL in 1994 with an existing youth & junior section, whilst they "adopted" an almost defunct Salford Juniors in 2002.

And ran for several years without a Junior section and was allowed to, however on a positive note Eccles have worked their socks off the last couple of years and are now re-developing their junior section with four sides now running .

[ROOSTER1980]

And ran for several years without a Junior section and was allowed to, however on a positive note Eccles have worked their socks off the last couple of years and are now re-developing their junior section with four sides now running .

Cubs, 7s, 8s, 10s, 12s and 17s in total actually. A successful professional club in an area helps a lot - but Eccles have never been that fortunate Two of the top football teams (one within 3 miles!) in the way of MUFC and MCFC makes it seem at times incredible that even an open age teams exists in the Manchester/Salford area.

But hey - we're all doing our bit aren't we?

[Marauder]

In part but the club had already started to lose momentum

They only lost momentum after the NCL said they where going summer, some of the NCL players who had a run out in the summer rested, this was followed by a short season and then IMO not a very successful first summer season.

[bowes]

They only lost momentum after the NCL said they where going summer, some of the NCL players who had a run out in the summer rested, this was followed by a short season and then IMO not a very successful first summer season.

No. They collapsed after they lost their coach but were never close to going up to Championship 1 due to not being able to rent Farsley Celtic's ground

[bowes]

Incidentally when Bramley say they're going to appeal what do they mean by it? What body could they appeal to and on what grounds? We're Bramley so the rules shouldn't apply to us ra, ra, ra seems the strongest part of their argument so far and the RFL wouldn't risk driving away the NCL purely for one club that hasn't a hope in hell of fulfilling a Saturday afternoon fixture in March

[LONGMAN]

They only lost momentum after the NCL said they where going summer, some of the NCL players who had a run out in the summer rested, this was followed by a short season and then IMO not a very successful first summer season.

They didnt have any NCL players playing for the this season due to the standard that they played at.

[keighley]

Like so many other clubs, the rot set in when they sold their ground at Mclaren Field. It's a sad end to a former senior club.

[The knowledge]

Keighley your comment is spot on ground sale was beggining of the end.

Bowes you haven't a clue about Farsley Celtic renting it was very easy getting RL to accept it was the problem.

[fatboystu]

but how can bramley have links to rodley rockets juniors, rodley rockets have their own open age team!

[del capo]

Keighley your comment is spot on ground sale was beggining of the end.

Bowes you haven't a clue about Farsley Celtic renting it was very easy getting RL to accept it was the problem.

Tim2 on another thread aptly illustrates the two quite different strategies required for a CC1 application as opposed to an NCL one . It is of course possible (and probably desirable ) to pursue both. Look at Hemel and Coventry as examples....

Which one has the Buffaloes gone for ? The evidence would suggest neither. Have you just drifted along ?

Why on earth are you talking of seeking RFL approval for where you play your matches ?. O K Farsley went bankrupt but your reference to approval from RFL begs more questions about your club than it answers.......maybe you need to talk to the RFL about your future.....

Don't blame the NCL for your current dilemma .They follow their path.. Your problem can be resolved. Clubs with your history deserve to survive , but you need to take a rain check.

I have entertaining banter with Marauder - we disagree on a few things,but those photos of his club's efforts to better improve their facilities by mixing concrete and coming out of the ground should tell you more about the community game than anything else......and I don't think it's been happening in Bramley .

So what is your club going to do about it all ? Being positive as well as realistic might be a good start.....

[jonnyg28]

How many more as well as Bramley have missed out, that took part in National 3 last season and where will they go?

[bowes]

How many more as well as Bramley have missed out, that took part in National 3 last season and where will they go?

5 teams had their bid rejected from NCL3 and 4 bids from outside were rejected (Kippax's was going to be recommended to be accepted had they fulfilled their fixtures). St Albans never applied otherwise they'd have stood a good chance of acceptance IMO. Kippax, Bramley and Hornets scratched fixtures anyway but hopefully can find a lower division to join. Wizards can join NW Men's premier, Bristol and St Albans can join the tier 3 midlands league as can some ambitious tier 4 sides like Northampton (who applied for NCL) and some reserve team of semi pro clubs. Coventry and Nottingham can choose between there and NCL.

Edited by bowes, 27 September 2012 - 07:36 PM.