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[bowes]

As several clubs were not accepted into the NCL but wish for a higher standard than tier 4 can something be done?

Possibly look at Bank Quay, Warrington Wizards, Bramley, Kippax, Fryston, Birstall Victoria and then look at inviting Championship clubs to invite feeder teams to make it up to 10?

[Marauder]

As several clubs were not accepted into the NCL but wish for a higher standard than tier 4 can something be done?

Possibly look at Bank Quay, Warrington Wizards, Bramley, Kippax, Fryston, Birstall Victoria and then look at inviting Championship clubs to invite feeder teams to make it up to 10?

Higher standards in fulfulling or nearly fulfilling NCL criteria standards or higher standards on the field of play?

Ce message a été modifié par Marauder - 26 septembre 2012 - 04:55 .

[Gav Wilson]

Higher standards in fulfulling or nearly fulfilling NCL criteria standards or higher standards on the field of play?

Both. Sounds like a decent stepping stone towards NCL to me.

[bowes]

Higher standards in fulfulling or nearly fulfilling NCL criteria standards or higher standards on the field of play?

On field.

I say northern as the RFL have plans for the midlands (midlands rugby league almost by accident has stumbled on a much wider remit and conversely can't provide for the top clubs at tier 4, London appears to have bred a new generation of flatcappers believing expansion teams should play short seasons in a local league forever more)

[Methven Hornet]

What is the definition of tier 3 rugby?

[bowes]

What is the definition of tier 3 rugby?

It's not yet clear. Guess it could be called tier 4 north premier if need be.

[del capo]

The answer to the thread question is ' No '

Tier 3 in the North has been handed by the RFL to the NCL to administer. The RFL well know the NCL entry criteria and fully endorse the approach. Indeed Tier 3 Divisions elsewhere specifically require clubs to work rapidly towards meeting the sort of standards required by the NCL as efforts are made to upgrade the whole game.

There is no need or room for ' one team ' clubs , however good they are on the field , in any Tier 3. Good sides ( and there are some really good ones ) should be encouraged to work off field and lower down the ranks within themselves , if that is what they want , for Tier 3 status.

Meanwhile the real issue is decency of competition, not status. ' Tier 3 ready ' clubs are being identified within the summer Tier 4 divisions and make no mistake these clubs are very strong on the field. Just look at North West Mens Premiers. Virtually all those clubs could step up if they chose . That competition would I am sure welcome the Wizards , who would far from walk it......

So it's Yorkshire again then... There needs to be a plan for there , but it's not a watered down version of the real thing for the sake of a couple of clubs -certainly not in the north.......

[Marauder]

What is the definition of tier 3 rugby?

Thats what I can't work out because you have teams at tier 4 that would out play tier 3 sides 4 times out of 5.

[Marauder]

The answer to the thread question is ' No '

Tier 3 in the North has been handed by the RFL to the NCL to administer. The RFL well know the NCL entry criteria and fully endorse the approach. Indeed Tier 3 Divisions elsewhere specifically require clubs to work rapidly towards meeting the sort of standards required by the NCL as efforts are made to upgrade the whole game.

There is no need or room for ' one team ' clubs , however good they are on the field , in any Tier 3. Good sides ( and there are some really good ones ) should be encouraged to work off field and lower down the ranks within themselves , if that is what they want , for Tier 3 status.

Meanwhile the real issue is decency of competition, not status. ' Tier 3 ready ' clubs are being identified within the summer Tier 4 divisions and make no mistake these clubs are very strong on the field. Just look at North West Mens Premiers. Virtually all those clubs could step up if they chose . That competition would I am sure welcome the Wizards , who would far from walk it......

So it's Yorkshire again then... There needs to be a plan for there , but it's not a watered down version of the real thing for the sake of a couple of clubs -certainly not in the north.......

Cracking winter sides in Yorkshire.

Excellent answer by the way and this area of the RFL pyramid needs clearing up, as for Yorkshire they seem to be fine with winter (must have taken up the mantle of being tuff from the Cumbrians)

Ce message a été modifié par Marauder - 26 septembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[Gav Wilson]

The answer to the thread question is ' No '

Tier 3 in the North has been handed by the RFL to the NCL to administer. The RFL well know the NCL entry criteria and fully endorse the approach. Indeed Tier 3 Divisions elsewhere specifically require clubs to work rapidly towards meeting the sort of standards required by the NCL as efforts are made to upgrade the whole game.

There is no need or room for ' one team ' clubs , however good they are on the field , in any Tier 3. Good sides ( and there are some really good ones ) should be encouraged to work off field and lower down the ranks within themselves , if that is what they want , for Tier 3 status.

Meanwhile the real issue is decency of competition, not status. ' Tier 3 ready ' clubs are being identified within the summer Tier 4 divisions and make no mistake these clubs are very strong on the field. Just look at North West Mens Premiers. Virtually all those clubs could step up if they chose . That competition would I am sure welcome the Wizards , who would far from walk it......

So it's Yorkshire again then... There needs to be a plan for there , but it's not a watered down version of the real thing for the sake of a couple of clubs -certainly not in the north.......

Very well summed up.

[MidlandsRugbyLeague]

The Conference Youth League is Tier 3 is it not?

[thestatman]

The Conference Youth League is Tier 3 is it not?

Yes

[Marauder]

The Conference Youth League is Tier 3 is it not?

"Can't get me breath" So in the pyramid system we've now got Youth teams as well as short season expansion clubs being classed higher up the pyramid than NWCMLRLVD & SCAB - lOst TRAck I reckon if the Pennine clubs hold out longer they will be offered tier 1.5

[Methven Hornet]

"Can't get me breath" So in the pyramid system we've now got Youth teams as well as short season expansion clubs being classed higher up the pyramid than NWCMLRLVD & SCAB - lOst TRAck I reckon if the Pennine clubs hold out longer they will be offered tier 1.5

I must admit that it is hard to think of a youth league belonging to a tier, especially when that league contains teams from clubs belonging to tiers 2, 3 and 4.

[Marauder]

I must admit that it is hard to think of a youth league belonging to a tier, especially when that league contains teams from clubs belonging to tiers 2, 3 and 4.

wonder if carrot springs to mind.

[HappyDave]

What I don't get is why the Pennine 'Premier' is classified as 'Tier 4' but the top teams seem to beat NCL 'Premier' teams in 'Tier 3' fairly regularly in the Cup comps you have up North? Shouldn't the 'Tier' be judged on playing standards?

Ce message a été modifié par HappyDave - 26 septembre 2012 - 10:25 .

[Marauder]

What I don't get is why the Pennine 'Premier' is classified as 'Tier 4' but the top teams seem to beat NCL 'Premier' teams in 'Tier 3' fairly regularly in the Cup comps you have up North? Shouldn't the 'Tier' be judged on playing standards?

I have always looked at it as the NCL are at the top then the regional Premiers working downwards and from what I've seen of the summer sides, I would have placed the better ones between regional premier down to 1st division and the rest would be lucky to get into a regional 5th division.

[bowes]

The answer to the thread question is ' No '

Tier 3 in the North has been handed by the RFL to the NCL to administer. The RFL well know the NCL entry criteria and fully endorse the approach. Indeed Tier 3 Divisions elsewhere specifically require clubs to work rapidly towards meeting the sort of standards required by the NCL as efforts are made to upgrade the whole game.

There is no need or room for ' one team ' clubs , however good they are on the field , in any Tier 3. Good sides ( and there are some really good ones ) should be encouraged to work off field and lower down the ranks within themselves , if that is what they want , for Tier 3 status.

Meanwhile the real issue is decency of competition, not status. ' Tier 3 ready ' clubs are being identified within the summer Tier 4 divisions and make no mistake these clubs are very strong on the field. Just look at North West Mens Premiers. Virtually all those clubs could step up if they chose . That competition would I am sure welcome the Wizards , who would far from walk it......

So it's Yorkshire again then... There needs to be a plan for there , but it's not a watered down version of the real thing for the sake of a couple of clubs -certainly not in the north.......

Incidentally when we play Bramley we still get abuse for our decision in 2005 to drop down to midlands premier to sort the club out off the field (I stress not from Martyn Cheney who has always been supportive towards us). Ironically had we not done that we'd have been in the same boat as Bramley...

[West Country Eagle]

The definition of "Tier 3" is a bit woolly, but it's meant to be a bridge between regular amateur RL and the semi-professional game. Therefore, as del Capo points out, it is driven by standards on and off the field. These include things like squad depth (i.e running more than one side), clubmark status, running juniors etc etc. And presumably the ability to regular fulfill fixtures and travel significant distances.

The RFL's stated plan is to have Tier 3 clubs in every region in the UK, and to help clubs work towards attaining those standards, wherever they are based in the country.

They would also like a genuinely national competition, perhaps split into vaguely regional conferences/leagues, but that will take some time to attain.

If the NCL had given the nod to one or two more teams from outside the "heartlands" we wouldn't be having these discussions. As they didn't, we are. Over to you, RFL.

[bowes]

If this tier 3 midlands league works then every English region bar South East will be represented. Eventually Elmbridge and Medway would be the 2 clubs from there, unless the latter goes Championship 1. But we're a few years off IMO.

Scotland and Northern Ireland will never be represented at tier 3 for practical reasons IMO. Maybe tier 2 if a money man comes. As for Wales I guess it depends on whether South Wales Hornets feel able to join a tier 3 midlands league.

Ce message a été modifié par bowes - 27 septembre 2012 - 09:38 .