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#241 guest from down under

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

i will eat humble pie now because it has now been decided between the two clubs to mass dr the squads although only 5 can play at any one time . personaly i dont like the arrangement in general and i feel uncomfortable with the way this situation is working out and its implications .francis cannot dictate that any player has to play for us as that is up to glenn alone so team selection is up to the host coach but i still dont like it at face value . apologies equalizer

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#242 Wakefield Ram

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:13 PM

No I don't like it either. Thought Singelton and Hood were good for us and them, but we could end up playing lots of different players, who have no interest in the Rams.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:43 PM

i will eat humble pie now because it has now been decided between the two clubs to mass dr the squads although only 5 can play at any one time . personaly i dont like the arrangement in general and i feel uncomfortable with the way this situation is working out and its implications .francis cannot dictate that any player has to play for us as that is up to glenn alone so team selection is up to the host coach but i still dont like it at face value . apologies equalizer

Frankly the whole thing stinks. Not sure how it will pan out for us or others, buts its clear that any manager will become "interested" in these DR players if they are looking down the barrel of relegation or on the periphery of the play offs. It will also become a lottery for all the clubs as to when we play each other. What if we play Doncaster this Sunday and because its early doors they dont have any DR players on duty, but when York, Hunslet or others go there three games from relegation and they have 5 SL players on the field. How is that fair? Points this season might just depend on when you play teams and how many SL players they have that day......

#244 duffymoon

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:49 PM

Although only five players can play under DR ,the number could be increased with season long loans.It has the potential to become farcical.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:20 AM

Just to add a bit of perspective i have yet to see a "SL player" who has been drafted into any side on DR make an immediate, or even game-changing impact. This I can't see any one side suddenly improving their performances overnight simple by the introduction of a couple of different players. In addition, the majority of players who are being considered are relatively young and inexperienced and, indeed, it is this experience that the SL club is hoping to gain.

I don't doubt that one coach or another will try to play the system a little (who remembers Geoff Fletcher's manoeuvring to keep Highfield in the league?) but overall I don't expect the immediate impact to be all that great. Long-term however might be a different matter.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

Ditto with every thing negative thats been said.Does this mean the Championship could start to mirror the S.L.Those on a D/R with the top clubs will start to do better in our league.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:42 AM

Just to add a bit of perspective i have yet to see a "SL player" who has been drafted into any side on DR make an immediate, or even game-changing impact. This I can't see any one side suddenly improving their performances overnight simple by the introduction of a couple of different players. In addition, the majority of players who are being considered are relatively young and inexperienced and, indeed, it is this experience that the SL club is hoping to gain.

I don't doubt that one coach or another will try to play the system a little (who remembers Geoff Fletcher's manoeuvring to keep Highfield in the league?) but overall I don't expect the immediate impact to be all that great. Long-term however might be a different matter.

Not sure about that BSJ, a couple of seasons ago leigh had some dual reg's from warrington who made, by their own fans admition, a huge difference to the teams performance whenever they appeared that season - among them was matty blythe.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:56 AM

my main concern is that a player or players could appear on a teamsheet out of the blue and for one thing that player might have no great desire to exert himself and also that player might not be conversant with playing structures . Also what about the players who are displaced by temporary blokes , surely those who train hard and are club players will not be impressed by not playing in favour of " guest" players.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:13 AM

my main concern is that a player or players could appear on a teamsheet out of the blue and for one thing that player might have no great desire to exert himself and also that player might not be conversant with playing structures . Also what about the players who are displaced by temporary blokes , surely those who train hard and are club players will not be impressed by not playing in favour of " guest" players.


for example, how will tebby feel when glen plays adam obrien this weekend, when tebbys done nothing wrong in the pre season games???

IMO we dont need adam obrien and james donaldson anyway and i certainly dont think its fair on them who will be dropped for no fault of their own..

Edited by DEWSBURY TIL I DIE, 01 February 2013 - 10:15 AM.


#250 grumpyoldram

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:19 AM

my main concern is that a player or players could appear on a teamsheet out of the blue and for one thing that player might have no great desire to exert himself and also that player might not be conversant with playing structures . Also what about the players who are displaced by temporary blokes , surely those who train hard and are club players will not be impressed by not playing in favour of " guest" players.

Another concern of mine is that clubs may become lazy in recruiting their own squads. If leeds for example, with their large player base, decide to have a squad of forty, hunslet would only need to sign the bare bones, and still know they would be able to turn out a side capable of doing well, simply because they would have twenty fringe players to choose their five from. It really is disincentivising clubs to stand on their own two feet IMO.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:20 AM

for example, how will tebby feel when glen plays adam obrien this weekend, when tebbys done nothing wrong in the pre season games???

IMO we dont need adam obrien and james donaldson anyway and i certainly dont think its fair on them who will be dropped for no fault of their own..


We do, however, need michael platt if he is in the mix.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:09 AM

Having thought about it.We have to give the coach some respect here.He assembled his squad without a thought of any bulls players being involved.Unless theres an injury to a couple of half backs for instance.I dont think he will go for a short term fix.However one decent experienced S/L player wouldnt be bad at the start till the lads fully gel.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

It is only possible for the coach to field what is his best side available and if he considers that players are available who are better than he already has available then he cannot be blamed for selecting them ,after all its his job and thats a lot of availables .
i have just tried selecting what would be my team for this sunday including donaldson and obrien and its not an easy thing to do . one thing i am certain of and that is that our pack is formidable and considering that there are a few more of our players to become available in the next few weeks i am of the belief that we as a team will barring injuries be no walkover for anybody in the division .There is also the introduction of a joker still to be played by glenn of which news will be declared presently .

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:38 AM

LOL, :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . someones just rung me straight away and got the answer to my last sentence . Yep you`ve got it , Glenns old pal lockyers going to turn out for a few games while hes over here .

#255 DEWSBURY TIL I DIE

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

Chris Aiton, wakefields paul Aitons younger brother ... Hooker/ halfback?? Fijian international? Currently with sharlston wanting a championship club but needs a years visa instead of his current one for just 3 month before he signs for Dewsbury?


One thing for sure is we have a big strong squad to pick from, my team for sunday would be as follows,,

CRAVEN, AKAIDERE/BECKET, SCOTT, HALE, MORTON,,
BROWN, SPAVIN
AIZUE, WRIGHT, SPIERS/HEPWORTH,
SPICER, DONALDSON, TONKS

SUBS FROM OBRIEN/TEBB, LILLYCROP, ESPOSITO, COLEMAN.....

LEAVING OUT AKAIDERE/BECKET, OBRIEN/TEBB, SPIERS/HEPWORTH, ANNAKIN, GALLAGHER, COSGROVE, SCHOFIELD......

INJURED ARE JONES, BUCHANAN AND JOHNSTON

#256 Blind side johnny

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

Will all the Bradford squad have Dewsbury squad numbers? If so the argument that squad numbers saves money will go straight out of the window.



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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:46 PM

Not sure about that BSJ, a couple of seasons ago leigh had some dual reg's from warrington who made, by their own fans admition, a huge difference to the teams performance whenever they appeared that season - among them was matty blythe.


I believe their impact was long term rather than instant GOR. My contention was that players being drafted into and out of any team will be unlikely to have a beneficial impact.

As I have said all along I am uncomfortable with this arrangement but we just have to see how it all pans out.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:35 PM

How do you pick the pack from the players available and who do you leave out

annikin
lillycrop
obrien
hepworth
donaldson
spicer
tonks
esposito
gallagher
aizue
spiers
tebb
wright

13 forwards to choose from

#259 Griff

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:51 PM

Only need to leave out 4.

Six to start, three on the bench.

Injuries might help your choice. ;)
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#260 Rambo

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 03:02 PM

not quite the same strength in the backs..
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