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[Wolford6]

Similarly, those choosing Plaid Cymru are included in the total for Wales, but also in the total for the Midlands (of Britain) aggregate. There aren't three Welsh nationalists running around Birmingham, determined to cast a postal vote for the party of Wales.

'Vote for Us or We Want Our Water Back'

[Trojan]

I can certainly sympathise with those from northern England who'd vote SNP if they had the chance. I think we have a lot more in common with the Scots, than the Tory voting areas to the south of us. But it ain't gonna happen.
I work with some Airdrie based Scots and none of them seem that keen on an Independent Scotland. They're happy with what they've got. Perhaps those of us in Northern England - define that - could do with some of the same. Whatever the outcome of the next General Election, I reckon the big losers will be the Lib/Dems.

[Bulletproof]

Get out of town. The north voting for the snp would be like turkeys voting for christmas.

I do think we need our own party to push our issues and force the other parties to fight for our vote.

[GeordieSaint]

I do think we need our own party to push our issues and force the other parties to fight for our vote.

Call it the Northern League?!

[gingerjon]

I can certainly sympathise with those from northern England who'd vote SNP if they had the chance. I think we have a lot more in common with the Scots, than the Tory voting areas to the south of us. But it ain't gonna happen.
I work with some Airdrie based Scots and none of them seem that keen on an Independent Scotland. They're happy with what they've got. Perhaps those of us in Northern England - define that - could do with some of the same. Whatever the outcome of the next General Election, I reckon the big losers will be the Lib/Dems.

If enough northerners, or indeed anybody else, had voted Lib Dem you could have had a federal UK elected by PR.

[Phil]

If enough northerners, or indeed anybody else, had voted Lib Dem you could have had a federal UK elected by PR.

Yeah its not like they went back on any other promises is it?

[gingerjon]

Yeah its not like they went back on any other promises is it?

Remind me of when we had a Lib Dem majority government.

[Wolford6]

Remind me of when we had a Lib Dem majority government.

The one run by Blair ... cabinet full of public schoolboys, lawyers and policy wonks. Never done a proper days manual work in their lives. Loved Europe, allowed millions of illegal immigrants, started two wars war to look tough. Sold peoples pensions down the river because they thought the money market would keep giving them unearned income. So committed to the advancement of young people that they raised student fees.Promised to build five eco-towns then reneged on it. Committed us to a prestigious olympics that we couldn't afford and only offered any benefits to London. Individually swindled thousands of pounds on expenses claims.

Edited by Wolford6, 02 October 2012 - 10:39 AM.

[Stevo]

I can certainly sympathise with those from northern England who'd vote SNP if they had the chance. I think we have a lot more in common with the Scots, than the Tory voting areas to the south of us. But it ain't gonna happen.

Sounds dangerously close to Blut und Boden to me.

[Phil]

Remind me of when we had a Lib Dem majority government.

http://blogs.channel...r-promises/5980

[gingerjon]

The one run by Blair ... cabinet full of public schoolboys, lawyers and policy wonks. Never done a proper days manual work in their lives. Loved Europe, allowed millions of illegal immigrants, started two wars war to look tough. Sold peoples pensions down the river because they thought the money market would keep giving them unearned income. So committed to the advancement of young people that they raised student fees.Promised to build five eco-towns then reneged on it. Committed us to a prestigious olympics that we couldn't afford and only offered any benefits to London. Individually swindled thousands of pounds on expenses claims.

The pubs open early round your way then.

[Wolford6]

The pubs open early round your way then.

I never go in through the day since, a few weeks ago, I got bored s###less by two LibDem types arguing about syntax and grammar. Everybody else was trying to watch the stripper.

I think one of them had once stood for local election; I don't think he got enough votes. Now he reckons he's not even gonna vote for his own party.

[gingerjon]

Everybody else was trying to watch the stripper.

Don't be daft, you're in Bradford, there aren't any strippers.

There's a woman in a burqa lecturing you, not in English, about the dangers of temptation.

And she drove there without insurance.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

The one run by Blair ... cabinet full of public schoolboys, lawyers and policy wonks. Never done a proper days manual work in their lives. Loved Europe, allowed millions of illegal immigrants, started two wars war to look tough. Sold peoples pensions down the river because they thought the money market would keep giving them unearned income. So committed to the advancement of young people that they raised student fees.Promised to build five eco-towns then reneged on it. Committed us to a prestigious olympics that we couldn't afford and only offered any benefits to London. Individually swindled thousands of pounds on expenses claims.

The Blair/Brown governments failed, becaue they failed to enact radical poicies, instead they became the tories lite and courted people like Murdoch. Their educational and social,bnackgrounds were irrelevant. As far as I'm aware they all worked for a living. Prescott was deputy prime minister-which public school did he go to?
I'm trying to think of a labour prime minister, or even a party leader who was a horny handed son of toil. McDonald no, Attlee(arguably one of britain's greatest prime ministers) no, Gaitskell no, Wilson no, Foot no, Smith no, Callaghan-ah yes at last. He was a petty officer in the Royal Navy...what were his achievements in office apart from handing power to Thatcher on a plate?

BY the way yhou forgot to mention the muslim threat,never forget the muslim threat.

The last labour government betrayed the people that elected it. There was a chance to alter the social, economical and political landscape of the country, and it wqasn't taken.

This had nothing to do with the educational;, social, or work background of the people who made up that government.

[Wolford6]

This had nothing to do with the educational;, social, or work background of the people who made up that government.

Except that they didn't have a basic working class grounding and don't really understand their constituents ... they pretend to and claim to be mad keen football fans etc.

You refer to previous Labour Prime Ministers who came from "privileged" backgrounds, but they had genuine working class ministers in their cabinets. Attlee also saw serious action in the First World War at Galipoli and the Western Front ... he was well acquainted with the working man from that experience. Wilson was de facto working class ... according to Wikipedia his father was unemployed for 2 years and had to move to Cheshire to get work.

You refer to the 'muslim threat'. I didn't. Though, since you mention it, why has no one released figures about how many moslem immigrants ... legal or illegal .. were allowed in and allowed to remain?

[Wolford6]

Don't be daft, you're in Bradford, there aren't any strippers.

There's a woman in a burqa lecturing you, not in English, about the dangers of temptation.

And she drove there without insurance.

Yes, I was indulging in reverie and gratuitous insult ... it's been my stock in trade for forty years.






Not that I've ever been:

http://www.ukstripcl...elican-bar.html

[Wolford6]

There's a woman in a burqa lecturing you, not in English, about the dangers of temptation.

And she drove there without insurance.

Now you've got me started again.


Bradford has dozens of women driving around wearing burkas ... how can that be safe when they will have extremely limited peripheral vision? They certainly never seem to get stopped by the police, so I presume the practice is either legal or treated (pardon the pun) with a blind eye.

Surely, the DSA can't allow women to sit a driving test in such attire?

[l'angelo mysterioso]

Except that they didn't have a basic working class grounding and don't really understand their constituents ... they pretend to and claim to be mad keen football fans etc.

You refer to previous Labour Prime Ministers who came from "privileged" backgrounds, but they had genuine working class ministers in their cabinets. Attlee also saw serious action in the First World War at Galipoli and the Western Front ... he was well acquainted with the working man from that experience. Wilson was de facto working class ... according to Wikipedia his father was unemployed for 2 years and had to move to Cheshire to get work.

You refer to the 'muslim threat'. I didn't. Though, since you mention it, why has no one released figures about how many moslem immigrants ... legal or illegal .. were allowed in and allowed to remain?

Prescott was a steward on a ship-seems pretty working class to me. I never said anything sabout labour leaders or prime ministers being 'privileged'. I said they all worked for a living. You are a worker if you are middle class. Presumably only uinemployed people understand about unemployment and only ill people understand about health.
What about the working woman?

are you suggesting that members of parliament have no contact with their constituents?

The main left wing revolutionary thinkers and activists have bneen middle class, of not all of them, in fact Trotsky came from a land owning back ground. Stalin the most notorious of santi revolutionaries came from a peasant background.

[Wolford6]

Prescott was a steward on a ship-seems pretty working class to me..

Prescott, for all his faults, was a pretty stright down the line bloke. Like him or loathe him, you know where he stood.
Most of the other members of Blair's cabinet were career politicians and, to my mind, could have represented the LibDems just as easily as they did Labour. The only difference was that they were more likely to get elected representing Labour.