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#41 morty

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:25 PM

what news about the floodlights?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:55 PM

From Keith's column :-

On the floodlight front, I had a meeting with the RFL (the third such get-together) to move things forward with regard to grant applications. I was advised by the governing body that we should try to source grant money from March 2013 as it was much more likely to be successful than an application submitted in Olympic year.
We are by no means certain to be awarded a grant but we will certainly do our utmost to make it difficult for them to refuse us. A meeting is also due to take place in the next week or so with John Woodcock, our local MP, to see if he can advise on what monies may be available. Whatever happens we will get the lights sorted, by hook or by crook.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:57 PM

Cheers Rog...dont get to see the Mail till the weekend !

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:49 PM

From Keith's column :-

On the floodlight front, I had a meeting with the RFL (the third such get-together) to move things forward with regard to grant applications. I was advised by the governing body that we should try to source grant money from March 2013 as it was much more likely to be successful than an application submitted in Olympic year.
We are by no means certain to be awarded a grant but we will certainly do our utmost to make it difficult for them to refuse us. A meeting is also due to take place in the next week or so with John Woodcock, our local MP, to see if he can advise on what monies may be available. Whatever happens we will get the lights sorted, by hook or by crook.


This is very strange ? I carried out many hours of research and spoke to many people within both the RFL and Sport England together with other succesful bidders on sports grants. I was advised that the Inspired Facilities Grant was the only one which could cover the whole costs of the Floodlight scheme, round one had to be in for September 2012 and awarded in December 2012 and round 2 was January 2013 with award at the end of March 2013. All the information I gained and passed to the BoD was for the September 2012 application <_<

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:23 PM

BOD response to that ?

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

This is very strange ? I carried out many hours of research and spoke to many people within both the RFL and Sport England together with other succesful bidders on sports grants. I was advised that the Inspired Facilities Grant was the only one which could cover the whole costs of the Floodlight scheme, round one had to be in for September 2012 and awarded in December 2012 and round 2 was January 2013 with award at the end of March 2013. All the information I gained and passed to the BoD was for the September 2012 application <_<

Do you think it might of changed since you left. Like anything, things change with time.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:10 PM

Do you think it might of changed since you left. Like anything, things change with time.


The grant application has not changed and as recently posted, 2013 is very tight for anyone to gain grants as less cash about and more in for them,

Maybe we have missed the boat :(

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:33 AM

This is very strange ? I carried out many hours of research and spoke to many people within both the RFL and Sport England together with other succesful bidders on sports grants. I was advised that the Inspired Facilities Grant was the only one which could cover the whole costs of the Floodlight scheme, round one had to be in for September 2012 and awarded in December 2012 and round 2 was January 2013 with award at the end of March 2013. All the information I gained and passed to the BoD was for the September 2012 application <_<



I am surprised that you find this strange Neil because you knew in September that the club had been advised by the RFL to hang fire with their grant application to Sport England until the March 2013 bids opened. Why wait until now to comment on this forum about the delay?


Apologies for the late response but I am only able to get on line at peculiar times at the moment.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:47 AM

I am surprised that you find this strange Neil because you knew in September that the club had been advised by the RFL to hang fire with their grant application to Sport England until the March 2013 bids opened. Why wait until now to comment on this forum about the delay?


Apologies for the late response but I am only able to get on line at peculiar times at the moment.


Keith as you are aware it was myself that brought the floodlight issue to the BoD pre championship application and it was myself that did all the research on the floodlights ,costs,grants etc and yet I can find no one within the RFL or any other body that shares this view of wait untiill the second teir of grants ( apart from the obvious grant applicants at the time who knew that the less in for the grant the better chance they had). I just see this as a pitty as this would have been the first serious grant (as far as i am aware ) that the current BoD would of applied for, and it could of raised all the cash required for the lights.
I am here to be proved wrong and maybe this thread will re apear in March. does the BoD have a back up plan in the case the grant is not forthcoming ?. You are clearly aware that the fundraising over the previous 12 months has been more than a disaster :(

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:15 AM

I would like to see a plan with estimated raised funds from each activity, any fund raising events need to be planned and exercuted properly. By that I mean financial risk analysis completed, all set up/running costs indentified, stake holder register of all involved and regular reports to any fundraising committee.

I do hope we are not relying on the grant in march 2013 and the Vice President scheme only..and before you have a go at me Keith I am writing this as I am concerned. It has now been over 3 months since the BOD announced we need to raise 100K and I don't see that any funds have been raised yet or any plans put forward! Can you confirm that the llights have to be in place by the end of the 2013 season? If this is correct then we only have 9 months left! If we don't raise any money again this month it make the task seem even more impossible.

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#51 Keith Nutter

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:32 AM

Keith as you are aware it was myself that brought the floodlight issue to the BoD pre championship application and it was myself that did all the research on the floodlights ,costs,grants etc and yet I can find no one within the RFL or any other body that shares this view of wait untiill the second teir of grants ( apart from the obvious grant applicants at the time who knew that the less in for the grant the better chance they had). I just see this as a pitty as this would have been the first serious grant (as far as i am aware ) that the current BoD would of applied for, and it could of raised all the cash required for the lights.
I am here to be proved wrong and maybe this thread will re apear in March. does the BoD have a back up plan in the case the grant is not forthcoming ?. You are clearly aware that the fundraising over the previous 12 months has been more than a disaster :(



I'd like to believe that you are not accusing me of being a liar Neil because that is one thing I am not. I just have to assume that you are not talking to the same people that I am.
I have email evidence that I was advised by the RFL NOT to apply in 2012 but to wait until the March 2013 round of applications. I repeat that I advised you of this back in September and you made no issue of it then.

Also just for clarification there is no single grant out there that will pay for the full cost of the lights - the Inspired Funding grant from Sport England is capped at £50k which as you know is only half the cost of the lights.

The excellent work you did to pull together quotes etc is not lost (it is in front of me now in fact) and will be used when we submit our application in March.

I trust this clarifies my position re the lights.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:47 AM

I would like to see a plan with estimated raised funds from each activity, any fund raising events need to be planned and exercuted properly. By that I mean financial risk analysis completed, all set up/running costs indentified, stake holder register of all involved and regular reports to any fundraising committee.

I do hope we are not relying on the grant in march 2013 and the Vice President scheme only..and before you have a go at me Keith I am writing this as I am concerned. It has now been over 3 months since the BOD announced we need to raise 100K and I don't see that any funds have been raised yet or any plans put forward! Can you confirm that the llights have to be in place by the end of the 2013 season? If this is correct then we only have 9 months left! If we don't raise any money again this month it make the task seem even more impossible.



Morning Mike, You know me well enough to know I wouldn't have a go on here - I'd just give you a ring if I had any issue.

It is my understanding that we have to have the lights by the end of 2013.

Re raising the funds you are quite correct that we must not rely on the grant and ignore everything else. We have the development fund which we anticipate will bring in a (virtually) guaranteed £10k over the next 12 months.
I am personally trying to recruit new members into that initiative so it may rise (not guaranteed).
As you say we have the VP scheme which I first dreamt up a year ago. As you say we cannot rely on that totally but it will hopefully yield a fair bit of income. Nobody has signed up as yet but I can report that there are a good few interested. Obviously as soon as anybody signs up it will be put out as a Press Release.
There is another initiative due to follow the VP scheme in the New Year but I don't want to give details of that one yet.
The Duck Race will be repeated this year by Dave Salt and although not a massive earner every penny counts.
I am writing a book to be published in 2013 which will raise £10k (guaranteed). Keith Holt is planning a Sportsmans Dinner, David Sharpe is organising a Casino night and Allan Park is doing a Hell's Kitchen as soon as the logistics of that one can be ironed out.
John Spoor is currently putting the final touches to a grand raffle to run over the season (something which I think you originally suggested) with the USA Villa as the main prize. This will be the subject of an Evening Mail feature to launch it hopefully.
The Past Players association is likely to be up and running in the next few weeks (I am meeting Dave Cairns tonight) and any functions they have may well yield money that they could donate to the club - of course this will be for the players to determine but Dave C is keen that they try to help us out.
We are meeting John Woodcock to see if he can help in any way and are also talking to the Council.
There may be other things I have missed but you can see that stuff is happening at last.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:10 AM

I'd like to believe that you are not accusing me of being a liar Neil because that is one thing I am not. I just have to assume that you are not talking to the same people that I am.
I have email evidence that I was advised by the RFL NOT to apply in 2012 but to wait until the March 2013 round of applications. I repeat that I advised you of this back in September and you made no issue of it then.

Also just for clarification there is no single grant out there that will pay for the full cost of the lights - the Inspired Funding grant from Sport England is capped at £50k which as you know is only half the cost of the lights.

The excellent work you did to pull together quotes etc is not lost (it is in front of me now in fact) and will be used when we submit our application in March.

I trust this clarifies my position re the lights.

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Keith I am not accusing you of anything , and if i did i would phone or meet you with it. I would certainly like to see any e-mail advising you not to apply as this would contradict everything I was told.

I am further confused over what you have just stated as the information presented to you was for the Sport England Inspired Facilities Grant which is partialy funded by Sport England and toped up from other ares ie: National Lottery, Examples of what funding has been awarded to other sporting events in the North West are on the Sport England website.

Remember you have to be in it to win it and there would have been nothing against the club for applying in round 1 and round 2 however round 1 has now gone.

Edited by D11, 23 November 2012 - 10:11 AM.

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#54 Keith Nutter

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:55 AM

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Keith I am not accusing you of anything , and if i did i would phone or meet you with it. I would certainly like to see any e-mail advising you not to apply as this would contradict everything I was told.

I am further confused over what you have just stated as the information presented to you was for the Sport England Inspired Facilities Grant which is partialy funded by Sport England and toped up from other ares ie: National Lottery, Examples of what funding has been awarded to other sporting events in the North West are on the Sport England website.

Remember you have to be in it to win it and there would have been nothing against the club for applying in round 1 and round 2 however round 1 has now gone.


My mistake with the terminology re title of fund Neil - it is indeed Inspired Facilities.

You know I am as keen as you to get this sorted but I feel I must go along with the guidance from the RFL and therefore we will be going all out to try to get sorted in the March submission. The RFL have also suggested a couple of other potential funds (small ones) which I am looking at.

Anyway off to Preston now to see my missus :) Hopefully she is coming home today.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:42 AM

That sounds great Keith, as I am not party to any of the info anymore it is good that it is been driven forward. I would like to see a committee in place and weekly reports on the website and the mail as it encourages others to get involved. If its all behind closed doors people forget about it and it is a must that it is kept high profile. All the bod must be involved as well as the supporters club to keep the momentum going.
Thanks for the update any chance of getting this out as suggested.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:43 AM

Just read your last message..hope all is okay and send my regards to your wife.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:02 PM

Thanks Keith, for bringing us all up to date with the fundraising efforts.
Looking at the last few posts it seems that the RFL have told you one thing, and Neil another.
There again we ARE talking about the RFL, they are noted for changing the goalposts at a moments notice, and
their right hand doesnt seem to know what the left is doing.
All they are interested in is Superleague. They are ruining the game for the rest of us.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:22 AM

Almost a year has passed since the AGM when all were advised that the club required to raise £100k. My role pre Financial Officer was to produce a buisness plan which would include all creditors and structure the re payment of the clubs debts to ensure the club had a pathway back to success.

Post the AGM I continued with the cash flow projections and warned the BoD of the problems the club would face if the £100k was not raised. The finacial problems encountered during last season were temporarily overcome but the fundraising was poorly planed and hardly raised anything towards the requirement.

The club now requires a further £100k before the end of next season for floodlights to stay in the Championship. We now have 9 months left in which to raise a minimum of £100k which equates to £11'111.11 per month starting now. if no funds are raised in December then the figuire grows to £12'500.00 per monthand so on.

Fund raising MUST start now and the time for talk must end.

Would a member of the BoD please pin a target board to the forum which is updated at the end of each month so all the fans and suporters can see clearly what is happening.

We cannot afford another year of poor fundraising.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:53 AM

I take it the 100k cost of new floodlighting includes all new hardware including the pylons etc? Can I ask is it not possible to get the costs of new floodlights down by re-using any part of the system ?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:50 PM

This stream seems to have got way away from the original subject but anyway I'm as concerned about the financial situation as a lot of supporters and also a bit puzzled.

First of all on the subject of grants there has been very little response to my message on another stream. This message is set out as follows

I find it very surprising that very little has been mentioned on here about grants. Fund raising events are very good but are only trifles to what are required.

I have spent a lot of time studying the Sport England website tonight. Very large amounts have been given to all sports but I'm not sure whether it's for both amateur and pro clubs. RL grants have been cut as follows The RFL has agreed to accept a reduction of £956,188 alongside a renegotiated participation goal, having recognised that it will not achieve the growth in regular and sustained participation commissioned through Sport England’s 2009 – 2013 investment because Sport England’s Active People Survey shows that the number of adults playing rugby league at least once a week has declined from 82,000 at the start of this funding period to 44,000 at the latest update. The RFL’s maximum funding award for 2009 – 2013 was £29,408,341. As a result of Sport England’s decision and the reductions to Sport England’s Exchequer funding in the Comprehensive Spending Review, the RFL’s award for the period now stands at £27,563,684

Full details of Clubs and amounts are given on the website and I notice that
Rugby union players will wave goodbye to the sub-standard floodlights at Carlisle Rugby Football Club in Cumbria. A National Lottery Olympic legacy award of £49,950 will allow the club to replace the existing floodlights which have been deemed to no longer be fit for purpose due to age related structural defects.


My reading of this is that the grants available from Sport England in 2013 are a lot less than 2012. Perhaps I have read this incorrectly.

My second concern is that at the General Meeting held some months ago it was stated that £100K was required to keep the Club alive and clear the existing liabilities. I'm sure that replacement of floodlights was never mentioned. Does this mean that we now need £200K. Surely I'm wrong..

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