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#61 Saint Toppy

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:18 AM

Sinfield - really good club level player, woefully exposed at International level and not able to turn it on every time it counts (like CC Finals), nowhere near in the same class as Farrell, Sculthorpe or Peacock

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 07:55 AM

Sinfield - really good club level player, woefully exposed at International level and not able to turn it on every time it counts (like CC Finals), nowhere near in the same class as Farrell, Sculthorpe or Peacock

are you saying he couldn't and didn't 'turn it on' in Saturday's GF? If so we must have been watching different games.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:54 AM

i have watched some of the greatest loose forwards ever to play the game, rocky turner, vinty karalius, jonny raper, mick adams, farrell and sculthorpe , sorry but sinfield is decidedly average when compared to these guys.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:58 AM

i have watched some of the greatest loose forwards ever to play the game, rocky turner, vinty karalius, jonny raper, mick adams, farrell and sculthorpe , sorry but sinfield is decidedly average when compared to these guys.

I don't think anyone (including KS) has claimed him to be the best LF, SO, passer, tackler etc, but he is very good, and can inspire those around him.

Internationally, he should either be captain of England or out of the team, to be honest

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:16 AM

Sinfield may not be quite the player that Sculthorpe and Faz were, but his leadership is top-notch, as is the respect he commands from his team-mates and peers. Clare Balding's assessment of him on the BBC highlights was remarkable, considering her Summer of Olympics and Paralympics.

As for international performances, he hasn't exactly been the sole reason for GB/England's failures, has he?

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:19 AM

Internationally, he should either be captain of England or out of the team, to be honest


I think I agree with this. As an individual player he clearly isn't as talented as the likes of Paul Sculthorpe. But as a captain, and a leader of men, he clearly has an incredible aptitude. Putting him in the England team as "just another player" hasn't worked as there are better runners/tacklers/passers than him in each of Hooker, Stand-off or Loose Forward.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:20 AM

The last two posts have been spot on.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:23 AM

Always been a fan of Kevin Sinfield's selfless work-ethic, but he was imperious on Saturday. Seldom seen a player dictate a game so assuredly. Whenever he wanted something to happen, he made it happen. And when there was nothing on, he put himself into positions to create opportunities. He was pretty courageous too, took a battering that would've had soccer players demanding the air ambulance, but got up, got on and won Leeds the game.

I went as a complete neutral, head thinking Leeds, heart hoping Wire, but Sinfield kept going where Lee Briers faded badly and that was the difference between the sides for me (I'm also a big fan of his frankly bonkers kicking technique).


As a slight aside, Kevin's brother Ian was Hornets' captain for 2 years and has exactly the same controlled, disciplined attitude.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:27 AM

Always been a fan of Kevin Sinfield's selfless work-ethic, but he was imperious on Saturday. Seldom seen a player dictate a game so assuredly. Whenever he wanted something to happen, he made it happen. And when there was nothing on, he put himself into positions to create opportunities. He was pretty courageous too, took a battering that would've had soccer players demanding the air ambulance, but got up, got on and won Leeds the game.

I went as a complete neutral, head thinking Leeds, heart hoping Wire, but Sinfield kept going where Lee Briers faded badly and that was the difference between the sides for me (I'm also a big fan of his frankly bonkers kicking technique).


As a slight aside, Kevin's brother Ian was Hornets' captain for 2 years and has exactly the same controlled, disciplined attitude.


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#70 clement

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:42 AM

In the International games you have to check your team sheets in the programme to make sure hes on the field.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:58 AM

Always been a fan of Kevin Sinfield's selfless work-ethic, but he was imperious on Saturday. Seldom seen a player dictate a game so assuredly. Whenever he wanted something to happen, he made it happen. And when there was nothing on, he put himself into positions to create opportunities. He was pretty courageous too, took a battering that would've had soccer players demanding the air ambulance, but got up, got on and won Leeds the game.


Here in lies the difference between Sinfield and the great players of our game. He can do it in SL but can't do it at International level. The likes of Lockyer, Thurston, Cronk, Marshall etc. could / can dictate a game and make things happen at any level.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:00 AM

Here in lies the difference between Sinfield and the great players of our game. He can do it in SL but can't do it at International level. The likes of Lockyer, Thurston, Cronk, Marshall etc. could / can dictate a game and make things happen at any level.

Put Thurston in the England team and see if he dictates a match against the Kangaroos.

I do sort of agree with your point though btw! He can only be compared to other England players though who have done better than him.

#73 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:02 AM

Here in lies the difference between Sinfield and the great players of our game. He can do it in SL but can't do it at International level. The likes of Lockyer, Thurston, Cronk, Marshall etc. could / can dictate a game and make things happen at any level.

It's been a long time since England/GB had any player who could dictate a game.

Edited by terrywebbisgod, 08 October 2012 - 10:03 AM.

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#74 Hornetto

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:12 AM

Here in lies the difference between Sinfield and the great players of our game. He can do it in SL but can't do it at International level. The likes of Lockyer, Thurston, Cronk, Marshall etc. could / can dictate a game and make things happen at any level.


Surely his ability to dominate the UK game's showpiece match between the best sides in the country make him the best we have at dictating a game. So if he's not able to do it at international level, who is? And who has been for the last 20 years.

Yes, Australia are blessed with a surfeit of great players, but Sinfield is amongst the best we have and should be recognised for what he can do rather then where people feel he's somehow lacking.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:14 AM

Put Thurston in the England team and see if he dictates a match against the Kangaroos.

I do sort of agree with your point though btw! He can only be compared to other England players though who have done better than him.


I actually think Thurston could. More often than not the England / GB forwards have been more than able to match the Roos & Kiwi's and build a platform for the backs but its our lack of skill in the backs (particularly the halves) that prevented us from winning games.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:15 AM

I actually think Thurston could. More often than not the England / GB forwards have been more than able to match the Roos & Kiwi's and build a platform for the backs but its our lack of skill in the backs (particularly the halves) that prevented us from winning games.


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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:16 AM

I think it has already been said throughout the topic. My view is he is not the best loose forward, hooker, stand off or scrum half at that level. But whichever position you play him in he will play it exactly as it should be played and his decision making will be spot on. A fine ambassador for this great game.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:24 AM

I actually think Thurston could. More often than not the England / GB forwards have been more than able to match the Roos & Kiwi's and build a platform for the backs but its our lack of skill in the backs (particularly the halves) that prevented us from winning games.

I certainly think he would do better than our current options, but would be nowhere near as effective as he is for the 'Roos.

The forwards doing ok is one thing, but the running options out wide that the Aussie have give their halves more space and quality options.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:37 PM

Sinfield is not liked because he plays for Leeds.


That's just plain wrong. Few people in contemporary Rugby League are respected across the board as Sinfield is in my experience.
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#80 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:46 PM

That's just plain wrong. Few people in contemporary Rugby League are respected across the board as Sinfield is in my experience.

By players and people connected to clubs maybe,rival fans on the other hand.........
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