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#41 Mumby Magic

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:59 PM

I take your point, but there is a limit. Children were sent up chimneys in the 1870s (as an example); should we now prosecute all such cases of child exploitation?


Depends how bad the chimneys were swept.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:45 AM

I take your point, but there is a limit. Children were sent up chimneys in the 1870s (as an example); should we now prosecute all such cases of child exploitation?

chiled labour was legal then, it isn't now.
Saville was already breaking the law.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:09 PM

Just announced - his headstone will be broken up and dumped as landfill. No doubt there'll be some ghouls who'll have the bits up on eBay if they can find them.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:20 PM

Just announced - his headstone will be broken up and dumped as landfill. No doubt there'll be some ghouls who'll have the bits up on eBay if they can find them.

With this happening looks like his family have finally got to accept what he really was..........

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:33 PM

I Have just heard an expatient from Stoke Mandeville hospital and she said "one of the nurses told me Jimmy Saville is coming today,so if I was you I would feign illness or say y feel weak and need a wheelchair.Then you wont be the chosen one to go with him alone in a room"If these nursres had the slightest suspicion about this man they should have reported it and made sure it was looked into.I cant accept the reasons people put forward to why he got away with it all his lfe
but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:28 PM

I can understand a young girl being too intimidated to speak out or perhaps trying it and being warned off.

But all the people in powerful positions? Not to pick on her only, but Janet Street Porter knew or suspected him but never said anything? Even when she was in a high spot herself?
Paul Gambaccini said he had 'been waiting 30 years for this to come out'? Really? Surely it would have been better coming out then rather then when he is 6ft under!

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:48 PM

It's astonishing that so much could have been hidden or covered up for so long by so many about one celebrity DJ. And that's all he was, a celebrity DJ. Mafia bosses have wielded less influence than Jimmy Savile seems to have had. Apart from threats of legal action, what else did he have in his armoury to prevent any of this coming to light before he died? What were the people who knew about it afraid of? Not so much the victims, that's understandable, but those others coming forward in their droves now who apparently knew what he was up to. Media institutions have ignored threats of legal action to expose others in the past, why not him? If the evidence is as overwhelming as these investigations now underway suggest, no legal action on his part could possibly have been upheld once it became public.

I suppose it resembles the phone hacking scandal in many ways. That started as a trickle before it became a disgusting flood.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:52 PM

It's astonishing that so much could have been hidden or covered up for so long by so many about one celebrity DJ. And that's all he was, a celebrity DJ. Mafia bosses have wielded less influence than Jimmy Savile seems to have had. Apart from threats of legal action, what else did he have in his armoury to prevent any of this coming to light before he died? What were the people who knew about it afraid of? Not so much the victims, that's understandable, but those others coming forward in their droves now who apparently knew what he was up to. Media institutions have ignored threats of legal action to expose others in the past, why not him? If the evidence is as overwhelming as these investigations now underway suggest, no legal action on his part could possibly have been upheld once it became public.

I suppose it resembles the phone hacking scandal in many ways. That started as a trickle before it became a disgusting flood.


Now, that, is the big question IMO.

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#49 Hornetto

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:15 PM

Now, that, is the big question IMO.


In his autobiography he writes frequently about his 'minders' whose job appeared to be creating a 'secure bubble' in which he could operate. He says of them: "I trained my men well". This tallies with a colleague's story of how he used to send his minders round the student nurse's home at LGI (where he had 'use' of a room) to 'select guests' to visit him, using 'foot in the door' type persuasion.

He also writes of having lads who dared to impose their attentions on his female nightclub punters tied up and beaten.

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#50 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 05:37 PM

Now, that, is the big question IMO.

the tens of millions of pounds he raised, and the fact that charities, hospitals and so on would be tainted by association with him. This is happening, but could have been worse if he were still alive and open to questioning.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:18 PM

the tens of millions of pounds he raised, and the fact that charities, hospitals and so on would be tainted by association with him. This is happening, but could have been worse if he were still alive and open to questioning.

True. I'm more inclined to believe he had incriminating evidence on people at the top. You can get away with a lot then.

Like that story behind the film 'The Bank Job'

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#52 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:41 PM

True. I'm more inclined to believe he had incriminating evidence on people at the top. You can get away with a lot then.

Like that story behind the film 'The Bank Job'


I wouldn't bet against it John

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#53 Blackbeard

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 07:04 PM

I remember on the louis Theroux show when he walked into the Scottish Hospital with his cigar and he said,he'd take his charity money from them if they asked him to put it out,i do think charity money had a lot to do with the silence aswell..........

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:19 AM

How sad it is that, seemingly, someone who spent a large part of his life being showered with gratitude and plaudits for charity work was only involved in those commendable activities with a view to gaining access to the vulnerable. Believe me, there's more shocking details about Savile's story to come - on top of his predication for underage girls. This man was an absolute abhorration.
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#55 Mumby Magic

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:25 AM

Max Clifford stating there are quite a few famous faces who are "keeping an eye" on the situation. Unfortunately this could be quite a big story. Even worse to say it's been covered up for years.

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#56 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:13 AM

How sad it is that, seemingly, someone who spent a large part of his life being showered with gratitude and plaudits for charity work was only involved in those commendable activities with a view to gaining access to the vulnerable. Believe me, there's more shocking details about Savile's story to come - on top of his predication for underage girls. This man was an absolute abhorration.


I'd take a guess that this wasn't his only motivation
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:54 AM

I'd take a guess that this wasn't his only motivation


I agree. As already discussed it was a massive blockade to prevent people coming forward being taken seriously. He knew what he was doing IMO, and it's rather devious to say this least.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:51 AM

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:12 AM

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Where's his right hand?

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#60 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:20 AM

I agree. As already discussed it was a massive blockade to prevent people coming forward being taken seriously. He knew what he was doing IMO, and it's rather devious to say this least.


I think thedre are other reasons than a smoke screen, a leverage device and so on. I'd guess that he had a need to feel that people thoiught he was a good person-the more money he raised and the more that people saw him doing in the more the need was fulfilled. We'll never really know.
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