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#1 marko9

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:06 PM

Would be good to get a sinfield type of player,good hands and kicking game,which wud give us more kickers to take pressure off others

#2 GoldDog

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:02 PM

Does such a player exist at our level - and Sinfield plays at / like a number 6 anyway. Probably the closest you're going to get has just joined Halifax.

Applegarth has got a good pair of hands on him so you could stick him there all season.

#3 marko9

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:02 PM

Yes he has got a good pair of hands,just dreaming really,yes sinfield does play more 6,suppose got enough good kickers in squad to do well,murrell would have been good but prob on bigger money than we can afford,Jk know better than me

#4 vitocorleone

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 11:05 AM

Very few, if any ball playing Loose Forwards now. Most are more workhorses.

Even Leeds have been playing Bailey at Loose Forward this season!!.

Edited by vitocorleone, 10 October 2012 - 11:05 AM.


#5 marko9

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:25 PM

Yes suppose you don't anymore such as applegarth or ash work horses, if black plays as good as he has and Moore think be creative enough,think Flanagan will be dangerous as ever he can kick,loves to take the line on and scores tries,can't wait for Boxing Day

#6 Eddie_Rombo

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:08 PM

Yes suppose you don't anymore such as applegarth or ash work horses, if black plays as good as he has and Moore think be creative enough,think Flanagan will be dangerous as ever he can kick,loves to take the line on and scores tries,can't wait for Boxing Day


I can't wait for Boxing Day too.

#7 marko9

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 07:36 PM

George will defo score a try Boxing Day :)

#8 grumpyoldram

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:01 AM

George will defo score a try Boxing Day :)

Quite likely, I assume he will get more game time than the customary twenty minutes every other game he got with us. :angry:

#9 HaroldShand

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 09:14 AM

I miss the traditional creative loose-forwards, and firmly believe they're a feature of the game from days gone by that is sorely missed in contemporary RL. I loved to watch the ball skills of guys like Phil Mirfin, Mike Kuiti and Dave Heron as a kid. However, from this perspective, the ideal 13 in modern RL would have to be someone who was able to create, kick AND make yards. How many 13's with such a skill set are out there, these days? I can barely think if any.
What I'm looking for is someone who can contribute to what England has given to the world: culture, sophistication, genius. A little bit more than an 'ot dog, know what I mean?

#10 greavesy

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:15 PM

I miss the traditional creative loose-forwards, and firmly believe they're a feature of the game from days gone by that is sorely missed in contemporary RL. I loved to watch the ball skills of guys like Phil Mirfin, Mike Kuiti and Dave Heron as a kid. However, from this perspective, the ideal 13 in modern RL would have to be someone who was able to create, kick AND make yards. How many 13's with such a skill set are out there, these days? I can barely think if any.

Bit before your time Harold but John Carrol was excellant. His slight of hand was to be seen. I too miss the skills of a ball playing loose forward. The constant driving in of the ball and kick on the last does get boring at times.

#11 distantdog

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:43 PM

Bit before your time Harold but John Carrol was excellant. His slight of hand was to be seen. I too miss the skills of a ball playing loose forward. The constant driving in of the ball and kick on the last does get boring at times.


I think it was the arrival of the all conquering Aussies who arrived at the end of the seventies and early eighties who ended that role, though at the time, my favourite player was Knocker Norton, who had all the skills and was a pleasure to watch.

#12 mountieman21

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 11:11 PM

Does anyone remember Phil Doyle(60s).He was a pleasure to watch.Very underestimated local lad.
Sadly passed away at an early age.Loose forward of great skill.

#13 Bat Lad

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 06:41 AM

Bit before your time Harold but John Carrol was excellant. His slight of hand was to be seen. I too miss the skills of a ball playing loose forward. The constant driving in of the ball and kick on the last does get boring at times.

Do you remember John coming into the long stand one game to sort a gobby fan out ???

#14 Bi11

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 07:25 PM

Do you remember John coming into the long stand one game to sort a gobby fan out ???

Yep, and he got away with it! With play heading towards the bottom end of the field the officials didn't spot his going into the top end of the long stand to 'remonstrate' with a critical supporter. I seem to remember that there was a similar incidence at Headingley during the same season which drew a great deal more attention.

On the subject of ball playing forwards Alan Tonks was superb. He was, in my opinion, more succesful than Carrol in this role at Batley because he had better support from those around him. Another player that had all the ball playing skills and was a pleasure to see in a Batley shirt was Don Fox. Fox, like Carrol, was sometimes let down by a lack of supporting runners.

The best ball playing forward that I ever saw was Batten at Leeds. He put Second row Bob Haigh over for an extraordinary number of trys one season. The oppostion knew what to expect from him near the line but were still bamboozled by his skills..

Phil Doyle, mentioned earlier,was also a prince among loose forwards. I think that he fell into the category of not quite fast enough to play stand off at top level, not quite big enough to be an International forward, but he did represent Yorkshire.

#15 Chris_T

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 08:28 PM

Phil Joseph released by the Bulls?, Not Kevin Sinfield i know but a decent ball handling forward at this level and good cover for prop and hooker.

#16 mountieman21

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:15 PM

If I remember rightly John Carroll was flattened standing up in the tackle looking for support
He was receiving treatment from physio Gordon Gray Cowans when the red mist came and he threw poor
Gordon to one side before he jumped the railings to confront someone who had being heckling over a long period.

#17 ANDYPK

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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:44 PM

What about Les Holliday, outstanding ball handling 13 with a great kicking game, not any about these days, is it a change in the way the game is played or coaching preferences

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#18 Bi11

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:11 AM

What about Les Holliday, outstanding ball handling 13 with a great kicking game, not any about these days, is it a change in the way the game is played or coaching preferences

I guess that ball playing loose forwards are unfashionable. There seems to be a set theory as to how a game should be structured which does not develop and encourage this skill. The two finest ball playing forwards of this era are possibly Gallagher and Cooke. That both ply their trade in the Championship shows how the ball playing forward as fallen from grace. Incidentally, it struck me that in a different era Mark Toohey might have developed into a top notch ball playing loose forward.

#19 grumpyoldram

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:34 AM

I guess that ball playing loose forwards are unfashionable. There seems to be a set theory as to how a game should be structured which does not develop and encourage this skill. The two finest ball playing forwards of this era are possibly Gallagher and Cooke. That both ply their trade in the Championship shows how the ball playing forward as fallen from grace. Incidentally, it struck me that in a different era Mark Toohey might have developed into a top notch ball playing loose forward.

Loughlan at wigan still does a job in the old fashioned way though, he's one of the reasons the pie eaters are the only team I'd pay good money to watch (and did at wembley last year).

#20 grumpyoldram

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:36 AM

Loughlan at wigan still does a job in the old fashioned way though, he's one of the reasons the pie eaters are the only team I'd pay good money to watch (and did at wembley last year).


In pooperleague I mean. :blush: