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#41 roughyedspud

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:11 PM

Yes you would.



chris hamilton would......but there'd be no fans left to watch a feeder team

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#42 Gav Wilson

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:14 PM

chris hamilton would......but there'd be no fans left to watch a feeder team


It wouldn't be a feeder team.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:17 PM

yeah but it is...rochdale is going to be used to bring through st helens kids...that makes them a feeder team

Edited by roughyedspud, 11 October 2012 - 05:17 PM.

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#44 Gav Wilson

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:19 PM

yeah but it is...rochdale is going to be used to bring through st helens kids...that makes them a feeder team


No it doesn't. Rochdale still need to find 20 players of their own to compete.
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#45 keighley

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:24 PM

No it doesn't. Rochdale still need to find 20 players of their own to compete.


And when you have 6 of your own players injured and Saints need three or more of the loanees for their team, you won't be able to fulfill your fixtures. You will be a feeder team.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:24 PM

the newtown jets still has to find its own players.....they are still the roosters feeder club though

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#47 Gav Wilson

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:42 PM

And when you have 6 of your own players injured and Saints need three or more of the loanees for their team, you won't be able to fulfill your fixtures. You will be a feeder team.


Matt Calland is Head of Youth Development. Sounds to me like they will have players coming through to cover such a scenario.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:52 PM

who pays his wages?

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#49 Gav Wilson

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 05:55 PM

who pays his wages?


Who's? Matt Calland?

Rochdale.
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#50 roughyedspud

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:01 PM

you sure?

and they pay talbot's wages too??

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:01 PM

We (Barrow) have done it the correct way. We've bought the likes of Brennan (19) Haggerty (23) Clay (21) Jones (19) Wiper (21) and will have them available every week and their development will benefit us and us solely. Blended in with our own local talent we will be sustainable by ourselves and won't need an SL club to keep us going.

The Saints players available will be the first names on the team sheet, as that will benefit the Saints the most. This will likely lead to Rochdale players getting annoyed as they arnt getting a game and will likely leave. Plus if Rochdale uncovered a good player he would move to Saints for peanuts (unlike Gardner from us to Saints a decade or so ago when we did receive money which benfited the club.) Again this will benefit Saints not Rochdale as I can't imagine Rochdale fans being happy seeing one of their local players moving away from the club to go play for Haven and then too Saints and with Rochdale getting nothing.

The move may help rochdale for the short term future yes I agree, but for helping them sustain as an independant club for decades to come this is a bad move. The move is too benefit Saints short and long term, yes it may reap some rewards for rochdale in the coming seasons, but it won't help them long term.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:04 PM

bingo

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#53 Gav Wilson

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:05 PM

you sure?

and they pay talbot's wages too??


As they work for Rochdale, of course.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:09 PM

im gonna try and sell you some magic beans again in a minute lol


you're being incredibly naive pal


id be shocked if st helens were'nt paying part of their wages

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#55 Gav Wilson

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:12 PM

We (Barrow) have done it the correct way. We've bought the likes of Brennan (19) Haggerty (23) Clay (21) Jones (19) Wiper (21) and will have them available every week and their development will benefit us and us solely. Blended in with our own local talent we will be sustainable by ourselves and won't need an SL club to keep us going.

The Saints players available will be the first names on the team sheet, as that will benefit the Saints the most. This will likely lead to Rochdale players getting annoyed as they arnt getting a game and will likely leave. Plus if Rochdale uncovered a good player he would move to Saints for peanuts (unlike Gardner from us to Saints a decade or so ago when we did receive money which benfited the club.) Again this will benefit Saints not Rochdale as I can't imagine Rochdale fans being happy seeing one of their local players moving away from the club to go play for Haven and then too Saints and with Rochdale getting nothing.

The move may help rochdale for the short term future yes I agree, but for helping them sustain as an independant club for decades to come this is a bad move. The move is too benefit Saints short and long term, yes it may reap some rewards for rochdale in the coming seasons, but it won't help them long term.


If the Saints players are better than the Rochdale players, they will be first on the teamsheet.

If a Rochdale player isn't good enough to get in the team and wants to leave then tough, he is obviously not good enough to play Championship 1.

If Rochdale discover a kid good enough for SuperLeague he will end up in SuperLeague, regardless of this deal.

Rochdale are where they are for a reason. That isn't St Helens' fault. This deal helps both parties, and it is by no means the death-knell that many are trying to make it out to be. That goes for all the other partnerships too.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:19 PM

im gonna try and sell you some magic beans again in a minute lol


you're being incredibly naive pal


id be shocked if st helens were'nt paying part of their wages


I have to agree Gav Wilson is being deliberately obtuse or he is very naive. Rochdale a Championship 1 club with crowds of around 400 can afford to take a SL club coach as their Head Coach and another coach who has coached at Championship level and they are paying both. Get in to the real world of RL, Mr Wilson.

I remember when .............................

"It is impossible not to feel a twinge of sympathy for Workington Town, the fall guys this season for the Super League's determination to retain it's European dimension, in the shape of Paris. While the French have had every assistance to survive, the importance of having a flagship in a heartland area like West Cumbria has been conveniently forgotten." - Dave Hadfield - Independent 25th August 1996.


#57 Gav Wilson

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:24 PM

I have to agree Gav Wilson is being deliberately obtuse or he is very naive. Rochdale a Championship 1 club with crowds of around 400 can afford to take a SL club coach as their Head Coach and another coach who has coached at Championship level and they are paying both. Get in to the real world of RL, Mr Wilson.


What SuperLeague Head Coach have they appointed? As far as I can see they have hired a young former academy Coach on the recommendation of his former employers.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:31 PM

If the Saints players are better than the Rochdale players, they will be first on the teamsheet.

If a Rochdale player isn't good enough to get in the team and wants to leave then tough, he is obviously not good enough to play Championship 1.

If Rochdale discover a kid good enough for SuperLeague he will end up in SuperLeague, regardless of this deal.

Rochdale are where they are for a reason. That isn't St Helens' fault. This deal helps both parties, and it is by no means the death-knell that many are trying to make it out to be. That goes for all the other partnerships too.


They will be regardless, this deal is too benefit St Helens youngsters or why else would they be there? The best way to benefit youngsters is too play them.

Yes let's say tough, he leaves and does something else. That means Rochdale are even more reliant on Saints. Thus making Rochdale less sustainable as an independent club.

Yes he will end up in SL, but a six figure cheque going to rochdale would benefit the club much more than him going for peanuts. They could then spend that on youth development and improving facilities and help them grow as a club. In the system they'll have 3 or 4 years of success and will fizzle out slowly as a brand and a club, and it will be sad to see.

If my club had 5 or 6 Saints players playing I'd go watch a local ameteur team and put money into their club instead, at least I know my money won't end up in SL.

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:33 PM

If the Saints players are better than the Rochdale players, they will be first on the teamsheet.

If a Rochdale player isn't good enough to get in the team and wants to leave then tough, he is obviously not good enough to play Championship 1.

If Rochdale discover a kid good enough for SuperLeague he will end up in SuperLeague, regardless of this deal.

Rochdale are where they are for a reason. That isn't St Helens' fault. This deal helps both parties, and it is by no means the death-knell that many are trying to make it out to be. That goes for all the other partnerships too.


It will not be the death knell for Rochdale. Just the opposite, it will stabilize and strengthen them.

It will be the death of them though as an independent club with their own ambitions. They will be beholden to Saints for their players, coaches by the looks of it, and, should they wish to divorce from the agreement with Saints they will not have the infrastructure left to sustain them as an independent team or club. They will be a feeder club with all that this implies, a nursery for Saints juniors. This might be all Rochdale are ever capable of being, a Championship, Championship 1 team and, if so, it could be good for them.

If they have ambitions for the top flight though, those are gone foreever.

#60 Saintslass

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 06:36 PM

They didn't. He was recommended.

I don't think it was a case of being recommended. It was a case of Saints insisting.




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