10 replies to this topic

[markleeds]

Watching the Australia v New Zealand game yesterday the ball hit an Aussie player from a kick, the ref signalled that it was still the 5th tackle. Leeds twice in their last 2 games got the tackle count restarted after a ball played the man after a kick. What exactly is the rule?

[Walter Ego]

The way I understand it is that the tackle count should only be restarted if the opposing player makes an attempt to block the ball. So If you're just stood there and the ball hits you then that is not a charge down or a knock on (as you've not played at the ball) and the tackle count is not reset. Only if you take action to affect the ball should a charge down be given and the tackle count wiped. Who recovers the ball after the incident has no bearing on the ruling. It's not very clear on the RFL's site either

10 KnockOn & Forward Pass


Deliberate 1. A player shall be penalised if he deliberately knocks on or passes forward.
Accidental 2. If, after knocking-on accidentally, the player knocking-on regains or kicks the ball before it touches the ground, a goal post, cross bar or an opponent, then play shall be allowed to proceed.
Otherwise play shall stop and a scrum shall be formed except after the fifth play-the-ball.
Charge-down 3. To charge-down a kick is permissible and is not a knock-on.

Also I've no idea if this is ruling is different in international or NRL law. Hope that was helpful.

[41hound]

I understand it as;

If the ball hits an opponent from a kick and there is no attempt to play the ball and the kicking team regain possesion; tackle count NOT reset.

If the defender deliberately plays the ball /charges down the kick; tackle count reset.

It is a shame sometimes when a great charge down is penalised by this.

[RunItOffAfi]

Daftest rule in the book to me (I know, I've posted about this before), as it rewards a bad kick with another set of six.

[41hound]

Daftest rule in the book to me (I know, I've posted about this before), as it rewards a bad kick with another set of six.

Agreed - time for them to change it!

[MidlandsRugbyLeague]

The ball has to be rising as well to be classed as a charge down.

[abu]

I think it all depends how the ref see,s it very often the player as no chance of getting out of the way and the ref very often give,s it as a charge down???

[MidlandsRugbyLeague]

Read the rules, glossary section. Easy.

[Mushy]

Not wiping the tackle count down after a charge down would be much better on several fronts:

1 teams would pressurise kickers more, making tries from kicks slightly harder to earn

2 the reward would be for good play attempting to charge down, rather than for a poor kick that fortuitously ends up back with your team

3 players would aiming to charge down the ball and not attack etc the kicker, making the game slightly safer

Simples

[Brigg Rover]

Not wiping the tackle count down after a charge down would be much better on several fronts:

1 teams would pressurise kickers more, making tries from kicks slightly harder to earn

2 the reward would be for good play attempting to charge down, rather than for a poor kick that fortuitously ends up back with your team

3 players would aiming to charge down the ball and not attack etc the kicker, making the game slightly safer

Simples

Very good points I like your thinking

[Dave T]

Not wiping the tackle count down after a charge down would be much better on several fronts:

1 teams would pressurise kickers more, making tries from kicks slightly harder to earn

2 the reward would be for good play attempting to charge down, rather than for a poor kick that fortuitously ends up back with your team

3 players would aiming to charge down the ball and not attack etc the kicker, making the game slightly safer

Simples

I've never really had an issue with the chargedown rules, but I like this suggestion.