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#1 thirteenthman

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:33 AM

Thailand will play the Philippines in an International in Bangkok this weekend (Oct 21st). Couple of links with more details:-

http://www.rugbyleag...nd-rugby-league

http://www.pnrlf.com/

#2 dhw

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:49 AM

Fabulous another International fixture where the host team has no RL footprint let alone a domestic competition.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:52 AM

Fabulous another International fixture where the host team has no RL footprint let alone a domestic competition.


Fair enough, let's scrap it and go home. No point even starting somewhere.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:01 PM

This model has failed before and will continue to fail for the simple reason it is not sustainable. How many formal RL matches have been played in Thailand ? Yet we have a Thai national team.

Well a start would be engaging the Thai community properly. do that before you play an international without that it will die a death. You want a parallel to this look no further than Singapore where there has been several attempts at staging internationals ahead of creating genuine interest in Singapore and the result is ........?

With all due respect this international is nonsense. The fact the RLIF are condoning this approach speaks volumes for that organisation. There are much better and sustainable ways of doing this.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:22 PM

What we cannot tell is whether this national team is an ends in itself, or a means of showcasing the game to the local population.

If it is a tool of development, then starting with a viable national team, even if it is the county's only team, is a sensible approach. It allows a game to be played in the country. Clearly, once one team is founded, opposition is required from abroad and there will therefore be an international fixture before there are domestic games.

If there are people on the ground in Thailand driving this, then they are doing well. It is very different from having the national team only play in Sydney and calling that expansion, which you would be right to be highly sceptical of.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

Don't see the problem. It's a game, taking place in Thailand.

It's not necessarily a model for anything, it's just a game that is being played. They are making no grand claims about what it will do, nor anything like it. Everything has to start somewhere, what's the big deal?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:27 PM

This model has failed before and will continue to fail for the simple reason it is not sustainable. How many formal RL matches have been played in Thailand ? Yet we have a Thai national team.


What about Lebanon?. That started in Sydney with ex pat Aussies, and they even appeared in the 2000 WC before any sort of domestic set up began. Now, they are one of the shining lights amongst RL's developing nations. If there are groups of RL players in Oz, or any other part of the world, who feel they can help generate some interest in the game in new areas, shouldn't they be applauded?

If this weekend's game stirs any sort of interest in the locals, then it will have been a success. If nothing comes of it, we won't have lost anything by trying.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:32 PM

That's my view on it too thirteenthman.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:08 PM

Don't see the problem. It's a game, taking place in Thailand.

It's not necessarily a model for anything, it's just a game that is being played. They are making no grand claims about what it will do, nor anything like it. Everything has to start somewhere, what's the big deal?


Well said.

What about Lebanon?. That started in Sydney with ex pat Aussies, and they even appeared in the 2000 WC before any sort of domestic set up began. Now, they are one of the shining lights amongst RL's developing nations. If there are groups of RL players in Oz, or any other part of the world, who feel they can help generate some interest in the game in new areas, shouldn't they be applauded?

If this weekend's game stirs any sort of interest in the locals, then it will have been a success. If nothing comes of it, we won't have lost anything by trying.


Well said, also.

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”I am all for expansion but not to start and string the teams all over the place” – stewpot01 – 11 July 2014

"2013 is on course to be one of the most disastrous in its history." - Creditwhereitsdews - 2nd January 2013


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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:29 PM

Yet more places to add to my holiday list!
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:43 PM

Yet more places to add to my holiday list!


WIll your back hold out?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:32 PM

Fabulous another International fixture where the host team has no RL footprint let alone a domestic competition.

One of our trustee's was in Thailand last Christmas and on Boxing day they had 37 guys (mainly over 60's) in one bar from the Moorends/Thorne area - anyone got the team sheet, :)
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#13 deluded pom?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:22 AM

The bar was from the Moorends/Thorne area!!! In the words of Tulisa, "amazin'"

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:28 AM

WIll your back hold out?

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#15 dhw

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:57 AM

What about Lebanon?. That started in Sydney with ex pat Aussies, and they even appeared in the 2000 WC before any sort of domestic set up began. Now, they are one of the shining lights amongst RL's developing nations. If there are groups of RL players in Oz, or any other part of the world, who feel they can help generate some interest in the game in new areas, shouldn't they be applauded?

If this weekend's game stirs any sort of interest in the locals, then it will have been a success. If nothing comes of it, we won't have lost anything by trying.


Comparison with Lebanon is comparing apples and oranges the situation is totally different. As for being leading lights I not convinced that is the case there are several other National RL organsiations making better progress. A better comparison would be Singapore (which has had at least 5 such attempts 3 of which were laying similar claims about domestic comps being setup) and to a lesser extent RSA. All of the Phillipines team squad are Australians resident in Australia, the Thai(sic) team squad has yet to be announced.

Phillipines ahve previosuly played at the 9s tournament in Pattaya there is littlle evidence of any interest being generated in the local community regarding this. My point clearly being made is declarign an international fixture and making various claims arround it without doing any ground work before or in parallel is not sustainable. You want evidence of this look at Singapore and previosu press releases coming out of RSA.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:00 PM

Don't see the problem. It's a game, taking place in Thailand.

It's not necessarily a model for anything, it's just a game that is being played. They are making no grand claims about what it will do, nor anything like it. Everything has to start somewhere, what's the big deal?


But it is a model for something and a model that has been used previously several times and has failed. They are certainly making particular claims try reading their quotes on this matter. Though they are not even willing to announce the Thai squad.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:58 PM

But it is a model for something and a model that has been used previously several times and has failed. They are certainly making particular claims try reading their quotes on this matter. Though they are not even willing to announce the Thai squad.


So what? It isn't by any means THE model for Internationals. If this game were to be a disaster, what has been lost? zilch I would say.

The amount of games taking place everywhere (as seen on this board) is enough to suggest that people are making strides towards expansion at whatever level that might be -and doing it the correct way, using plenty of locals.

Did Argentinians wake up one day and suddenly start playing Union? or was it ex-pats starting the game (poss Welsh?)

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:47 PM

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The amount of games taking place everywhere (as seen on this board) is enough to suggest that people are making strides towards expansion at whatever level that might be -and doing it the correct way, using plenty of locals.


That was the point clearly being made. Though this situation is nothing of the sort (which | clearly pointed out) judging by their own declaration and quotes the only input of either Thai or Filipinos is to use one person to translate some documents. You stated they are not making any claims but they are clearly making unsupported claims around this fixture as already stated this is the same approach used several times for Singapore and RSA.

Did Argentinians wake up one day and suddenly start playing Union? or was it ex-pats starting the game (poss Welsh?)


Was the first game played in Argentina an international match made up of South African residents ? Which is what this appears to be.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:32 PM

It doesn't matter who is taking part, the game is happening. It will either be a modest success and perhaps encourage some people to get involved. It might be a washout and achieve nothing. Either way nothing is lost (and perhaps something gained)

Its not like the future of Int'l RL is riding on this one match.

#20 thirteenthman

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:05 PM

Comparison with Lebanon is comparing apples and oranges the situation is totally different. As for being leading lights I not convinced that is the case there are several other National RL organsiations making better progress. A better comparison would be Singapore (which has had at least 5 such attempts 3 of which were laying similar claims about domestic comps being setup) and to a lesser extent RSA. All of the Phillipines team squad are Australians resident in Australia, the Thai(sic) team squad has yet to be announced.

Phillipines ahve previosuly played at the 9s tournament in Pattaya there is littlle evidence of any interest being generated in the local community regarding this. My point clearly being made is declarign an international fixture and making various claims arround it without doing any ground work before or in parallel is not sustainable. You want evidence of this look at Singapore and previosu press releases coming out of RSA.


But who's to say the same will happen here? The match hasn't taken place yet. You want to dismiss a comparison with Lebanon to compare this with efforts in Singapore which have so far come to nought. But how do you know which comparison is correct when the first match hasn't even taken place yet? And we come back to the point that if nothing occurs afterwards, well, at least someone has tried to do something. Surely it's better to have people looking to expand the game into new areas rather than just sitting back and doing nothing?




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