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#81 Severus

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 02:18 PM

You know where I stand and I'll leave it at that.

You don't think homophobia should be challenged?
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#82 JohnM

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:01 PM

Absolutely, yes, actions derived from or motivated by it should be challenged, but is it right to go round telling people what thy must think? Start where the need is greatest and the wins that much bigger.

The most dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality. None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable. 1,001 non-Muslim Britons were interviewed. see http://www.guardian....y-homosexuality

or with the Catholic Church see http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-19383571

Edited by JohnM, 07 November 2012 - 04:02 PM.


#83 gingerjon

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:20 PM

is it right to go round telling people what thy must think?


Yup.
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#84 WearyRhino

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

Yup.


Quite! If what someone thinks is simply wrong then it's a duty to tell them.

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#85 WearyRhino

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:28 PM

Start where the need is greatest and the wins that much bigger.


Alternatively challenge ALL bigotry, of ALL sizes, and on ALL possible occasions. That way the"wins" are more frequent and more numerous.

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#86 gingerjon

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:32 PM

Quite! If what someone thinks is simply wrong then it's a duty to tell them.


Similarly, I expect people to challenge my own opinions.

I don't quite know how a debate is meant to work otherwise.
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#87 JohnM

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:32 PM

Yup.


how Orwellian!

#88 JohnM

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:36 PM

Alternatively challenge ALL bigotry, of ALL sizes, and on ALL possible occasions. That way the"wins" are more frequent and more numerous.


Here you go then: admin@mcb.org.uk and benedictxvi@vatican.va

Do tell us how you get on.

#89 gingerjon

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:39 PM

how Orwellian!


Free speech means having the right to say what you think.

And then having someone answer back.
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#90 JohnM

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:41 PM

Similarly, I expect people to challenge my own opinions.

I don't quite know how a debate is meant to work otherwise.


Quite so, though I always thought debate did not extend to accusation or diktat. Telling someone what they should think is a tad different to explaining why you think your point of view is correct.

#91 JohnM

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:43 PM

Free speech means having the right to say what you think.


And freedom of though? telling them what they must think, too?

#92 WearyRhino

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

Here you go then: admin@mcb.org.uk and benedictxvi@vatican.va

Do tell us how you get on.


Will do.

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#93 gingerjon

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:47 PM

Quite so, though I always thought debate did not extend to accusation or diktat. Telling someone what they should think is a tad different to explaining why you think your point of view is correct.


I'll happily call someone with homophobic views a homophobe.

Should I be politically correct and dress the wording up in some other fashion to make it less blunt?
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#94 longboard

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:56 PM

Putting to one side the question of sexual orientation, for the time being, I think there is a fair point within some of Woler's posts, about what standards should be expected of a public servant when they are making information about themselves publicly available. If the alleged posting by Bryant was true, then I think it is unacceptable under the terms of conduct of many public bodies and would have been likely to have resulted in a disciplinary investigation; this would apply whether the advert was posted by a man, or by a woman, or by a heterosexual, or by a homosexual, or a bisexual. Lots of companies and voluntary organisations I have been involved with take a similar approach also.

Posting this shows a real want of judgement on Bryant's part. Some people seem to be unable to envisage the consequences of posting personal information on public websites that can damage their individual standing, cause upset to those close to them and potentially can result in reputational damage to the organisation for which they they work.

#95 JohnM

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:59 PM

I'll happily call someone with homophobic views a homophobe.

Do what you like. its a free country. Jut make sure you are right, though. Homophobia is fear of homosexuality ( or I guess fear of homosexuals)

Edited by JohnM, 07 November 2012 - 05:02 PM.


#96 JohnM

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:22 PM

Will do.


Seriously, will be keen to hear if you get a reaction at all, as it is a big issue for those two organisations.

#97 Severus

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:54 PM

PM warns against 'witch-hunt' of gay people due to child abuse allegations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-20251939

Edited by Severus, 08 November 2012 - 04:54 PM.

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#98 WearyRhino

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 05:31 PM

PM warns against 'witch-hunt' of gay people due to child abuse allegations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-20251939


Those specific comments spoke volumes, I am also struck by Cameron's growing inability to think on his feet lately too.

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#99 Griff9of13

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:49 PM

Gideon - not as daft as he looks
"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

#100 Wolford6

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:42 AM

Gideon - not as daft as he looks


Nobody could be as daft as Osborne looks.

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