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First Hillsborough, now Orgreave


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#21 Phil

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 01:00 PM

One of the biggest occupation groups arrested during the strike were servicemen. They came back home on leave, joined their dad’s/brothers/mates on the picket line and piled in to help them when they were getting roughed up by plod.
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#22 Griff9of13

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 10:49 AM

so that'him off the hook! severance package, full pension, avoided any disciplinary action.


My very first thought when I saw the story; leave now and keep the very nice pension etc. Hang around, get found guilty of misconduct and get booted out with nothing. Nice work if you can get it.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 11:39 AM

My very first thought when I saw the story; leave now and keep the very nice pension etc. Hang around, get found guilty of misconduct and get booted out with nothing. Nice work if you can get it.


When I heard the criticism of him from the candidates for the Police Commissioner post in W Yorks, I thought he was left with little option but to resign. He had become a political embarrassment to the W Yorks Police Authority and the politicians that sit on the board would no doubt be keen for him to go. He obviously can't be taken through a disciplinary process as he has resigned, but he could still face criminal charges, but the latter is highly unlikely I think. A person's involvement in a conspiracy is notoriously hard to prove.

#24 Wolford6

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:52 PM

I'm from a mining village and obviously have no instinctive sympathy for the Police deployed in the Miners Strike.

However, Sir Norman Bettinson is innocent of any charges and remains so until the moment he is found guilty, or pleads guilty, in a court of law.

The BBC (local radio and television) seems to me to be rabble rousing by being selective about who it chooses to comment on his resignation. BBC Leeds might as well be Radio Merseyside on this issue.
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#25 JohnM

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 09:04 AM

Just fancy that!! So, as predicted, by resigning he escapes any possible disciplinary charges and lives a wealthy retirement funded by you , me and the Hillsborough victims' families.

Sir Norman Bettison will receive an £83,000-a-year pension unless he is convicted over the Hillsborough cover-up, Merseyside Police Authority said. The police authority said the payments, from a central taxpayers' pot, will come into effect now he has resigned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...eyside-20079755

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#26 Trojan

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:28 PM

I think, like Hillsborough, the recession, the disgrace of the bankers, the exposition of profiteering by the privatised rail and fuel companies, the decline in home ownership, the truth about Orgreave finally emerging is yet another example of the decline of Thatcherism, and its #### child,New Labour. This article in the Guardian says it all
http://www.guardian....final-reckoning
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#27 Ex-Kirkholt

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 10:01 PM

We played against Milnrow in the National Cup and about 10 of their players where policemen, we where a team with about the same number of striking miners, we had 3 tries disallowed and they won the game by a couple of points, we won the fight with ease and they bought the beer all afternoon not letting us buy a single drink.

I remember Greater Manchester Police having a team in the NWC League - although affiliated to the Rochdale ARL - I don't think they ever managed to get 10 serving police officers playing for them !
Looks like it wer' organised by't Pennine League

#28 JohnM

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 08:59 AM

This article in the offshore tax havening Guardian says it all


Says all there is to say about this rag that is only in existence because it is sheltering behind tax avoidace and ruthless job cutting.

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#29 Padge

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:48 AM

As an ex Squaddie I've asked this question many times simply because of the rumour going around was that squaddies where filling in for policemen on the picket line, not one ex or serving squaddie has ever said they had been drafted in to do a policemans job.

I doubt they asked the average squaddie, they needed people who would keep their gobs shut.

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#30 Phil

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:51 AM

I doubt they asked the average squaddie, they needed people who would keep their gobs shut.


I'm fairly sceptical about the squaddie claim myself, what isn't in dispute is that "policemen" on the picket lines were wearing boilersuits without their numbers on them, which is itself illegal. Private security firms?
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#31 Trojan

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:52 AM

Says all there is to say about this rag that is only in existence because it is sheltering behind tax avoidace and ruthless job cutting.

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Grow up John.
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#32 WearyRhino

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:36 AM

I'm fairly sceptical about the squaddie claim myself, what isn't in dispute is that "policemen" on the picket lines were wearing boilersuits without their numbers on them, which is itself illegal. Private security firms?


I repeat. I know for a FACT that there were HM Forces involved. Cannot say anymore.

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#33 longboard

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 02:09 PM

Things people say are facts, are often not facts. :) FACT! ;)

#34 Marauder

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:32 AM

I doubt they asked the average squaddie, they needed people who would keep their gobs shut.

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#35 Griff9of13

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:38 AM

Not entirely sure about there being squaddies on the front line. But, after seeing documentary footage, I am pretty sure the police there that day had received military training and guidance. It is a matter of record that they were receiving training for weeks prior to the confrontation, using every (often completely illegal) tactic they ,could to prevent the miners congregating on the site until they were ready. I'd really like to know just how far up the 'food chain' those decisions were made; as it involved cross service (military and police) cooperation at a pretty high level I have always suspected those orders came from the top of government. Meaning we had, for a brief period, in certain areas of the country pseudo martial law with the police acting as the governments private army under military institution conducting a political, (and not as the police's role ought to be, anti criminal) attack on the country's own citizens. The 'enemy within' indeed.
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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

I remember going for my graduation ceremony at Hull City Hall in July(-ish) 1984. On that day there was meant to be some coal coming into the port at Goole and the miners were set to picket there. When we got to the Goole exit on the M62 the motorway was closed and all cars were taken up the slip road whilst the police checked who was in the vehicles. We were then waved on and went down the entrance slip road and finished our journey. Don't what happened if they didn't "like the cut of your jib" but I suspect it involved being put back on the westbound carriageway.
Looks like it wer' organised by't Pennine League




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