1. Bramley and Hunslet withered and Bramley died. Guess what? Rugby league in Leeds is healthier than it has ever been.
2. Where do you get eight clubs from? The strong centers of Pro RL are in London, Hull, Bradford, Fartown, Leeds, Wakefield, Warrington, Saints and Wigan. It's nine.
3. In the NRL the bottom team doesn't "sink" it lives to fight another season. SL is using this model.
4. What small base?? The England team has always picked from the top clubs in 1992 at the world cup final Great Britain chose their side from eight top division clubs, same in 1978 at Bradford the team was picked from eight top clubs.
They never picked anyone from Keighley or Bramley,
5. No I personally don't. I see Wakefield possibly eclipsing Fev, Wigan overshadowing Leigh and Fartown/Bradford out muscling Halifax. Having said that these fine clubs are continuing to hold their own.
If they don't last then the SL clubs will take over their fan bases and local players just like in Leeds. Those SL clubs will be all the stronger for it just like Leeds are.
6. Utter drivel.
The NRL is ring fenced and it is the biggest Rugby league competition in the world, attracting mega dollars/
Ring fencing is good.......
You are trying to argue us back to 1952 or 1995, but It cannot wash can it when the NRL, the model the RFL are chasing - an Elite served by feeder clubs - is so darn successful.
Your quote "If you kill the roots, the tree will die" is just a slogan meaning what?
That the roots of Rugby League are Championship clubs??
They simply are not. Championship clubs serve small local followings who preferr the small club, or who are too far away from an SL clubs. Championship clubs survive on getting players from Superleague.
The REAL roots of Rugby League is the junior game we now see played all over the country, in schools, superb junior clubs many away from the M62, Colleges and universities. The roots have never been as strong...............
1. Hunslet v Leeds championship final attracted a full house to Elland Road. Hunslet V Wigan RL cup final was one of the best ever. Leeds had to be bailed out by Caddick and kow tow to RU to survive.
How can you say that Rugby League in Leeds is better than it has ever been.As we speak, the Rhinos are in pretty good shape but RL in Leeds is poorer for the decline of Hunslet and the loss of Bramley. I would hazard a guess the amateur RL in Leeds is nowhere near what it used to be either. I have not researched it but my gut feeling is that there are lot less amateur RL clubs in Leeds than there used to be.
2. If you think that London is a stronghold of PROFESSIONAL RL then good for you. I don't subscribe to that view. When the big greed inspired axe comes out and they trim the SL down to ten clubs, they will cut Hull KR, Castleford, Salford and who ? In my opinion either Widnes or London. They were within a haresbreath of doing it once before and there is no Lewis to stand in the way this time.
3. What a short memory you have. I give you South Sydney, North Sydney, Balmain, Newtown and Western Reds as examples of teams booted from the NRL. Their current lack of committment to expansion even in a time of unparallelled prosperity for the game in Australia dos't look so hot either.
4. On occasions the England team may have been picked from the top eight clubs but you need to ask the question " did the top eight clubs produce all those players or did they transfer a bunch of them in from Championship clubs"? who will not be there in the future.
Just to put you straight Terry Hollindrake, Geoff Crewdson,Nick Pinkney and Brian Jefferson have been picked for GB/England from Keighley and Derek Hallas was developed by Keighley before moving to Leeds and getting a GB cap. David Jeanes was a Keighley lad also and he got a GB cap. Roy Sabine played regularly for Yorkshire when they were a top level, just sub International, represenetative side. there were also several Welsh internationals who played for Keighley. Not a long list but it exists.
5. The point has been made before that when teams die their whole fan base does not just automatically transfer to the nearest other team You tried to make that argument with Oldham and Salford and Hull and Hull KR. When Huddersfield were operating on crowds of 400, I don't remember seeing a 5,000 increase in the gates of the successful Halifax club. When Bradford were pulling to 200 to Odsal i don't remember Keighley, who were busy winning promotion at the time getting the missing Bradford thousands to their ground. When Hull KR were in CC1 on crowds of just over a thousand I don't remember any 20,000 average attendances at Hull.
Leeds would be even stronger if they were playing a SL Hunslet two or three times a season and getting two or three extra 20,000 plus crowds to Headingley.
6. Utter drivel to you too. A ring fenced mini league of 10 with 8 British clubs will ultimately bore the spectators and, more importantly, the viewers and thus TV companies, and the results will be dire for the future of the game.
The NRL is much larger than 10 teams. their record is spotty but, overall, they are committed to expanding and admitting new teams not regressing to some unsustainable rump competition. Where do you think the NRL would be if they were still confined to having all their clubs in Sydney as they did in the past. I would suggest they would be in a lot of trouble.
Ring fencing is bad.
I am not trying to argue back to 1952 or 1995. I am sure the game would love to be attracting the attendances they were attracting in 1952, especially in Oldham, but there was only one huge 28 team division then just like the NRL but I am not advocating that.
In 1995, there was no Sky money. I am not advocating that we tell them to go take a hike.
Have you ever seen a schematic of a tree showing the root system mirroring the branch system above ground. If you cut the roots off the branches will die.
In RL there is a network of amateur teams, junior teams and semi pro CC teams underpinning the SL Branches. If you kill off the semi pro teams, interest in their area in RL will similarly wither, the people will not put their money into RL, they will not buy Sky TV for the RL, they will not encourage their children to play amateur RL, despite the success of SL teams in finding juniors, the supply of young players will
The support for the International teams will also drop off. Not everybody who watches England comes from a SL area.
You can get a decent looking tree with not much root system but at the first high wind the tree will topple.
That is what I mean when I say if you cut off the roots the SL will die