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#1 Gruff

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:11 AM

I see Josh Charnley is now on the books at James Grant Management.

Given their past record with League players it will be interesting to see if this is because they see untapped potential in representing League players, or another player they are pushing into the Union ranks.

I would say it is the latter unfortunately. Hope to be proven wrong

#2 RidingPie

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:18 AM

Whatever you think about the agency, you can't deny they've increased Sam Tomkin's profile.

#3 Chariots

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:45 AM

Andi Peters again is well involved here

On twitter saying he supports WIgan
Check out Josh and Zac on you tube, very funny

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:19 PM

Iirc Josh has just signed a revamped long term contract, so nothing to lose sleep over.
For all these young stars, if we make a good fist of the World cup, so that they genuinely believe they are part of a vibrant sport, then we stand a great chance of keeping them.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:14 PM

Iirc Josh has just signed a revamped long term contract, so nothing to lose sleep over.
For all these young stars, if we make a good fist of the World cup, so that they genuinely believe they are part of a vibrant sport, then we stand a great chance of keeping them.

The majority of SL departees don't go to union though and I think we're in danger of forgetting the major destination for our top players:Australia. The Aussie clubs seem to be well monied up at the moment, and certainly from a Bradford perspective, I think they pose the biggest danger to our game.
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#6 dhw

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:26 PM

The majority of SL departees don't go to union though and I think we're in danger of forgetting the major destination for our top players:Australia. The Aussie clubs seem to be well monied up at the moment, and certainly from a Bradford perspective, I think they pose the biggest danger to our game.


Which high profile backs have gone to the NRL?
Which high profile backs are likely to go to the NRL?
Good quality forwards will go there and mostly be successful and they may be targetted but not that many will be on NRL Club shopping lists. The biggest danger is the inability to develop players of quality and very good NRL players coming to SL.

#7 Pottsy

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:54 PM

The biggest threat to "our game" is mismanagement and apathy.

The better forwards go to the NRL because they don't have the union option so that's the only viable alternative.

The backs take the union shilling for the money but also for the chance to play on a bigger international stage.

If rugby league doesn't figure out a way - if there is one - to give players a bigger platform than playing in front of a couple of thousand people at a non league football ground then I don't see things changing.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 07:22 PM

If the top English players go to the NRL, This will lead to England beating the Australians on a regular basis and will increase the profile again here which will in turn bring more money in. So a short term dip in quality, which will hardly be noticed is a price worth paying for international success and an increased profile of the game.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 07:26 PM

If the top English players go to the NRL, This will lead to England beating the Australians on a regular basis and will increase the profile again here which will in turn bring more money in. So a short term dip in quality, which will hardly be noticed is a price worth paying for international success and an increased profile of the game.

well said!

#10 Father Ted

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:25 PM

This as it stands at the moment.
I do think that when the new NRL TV money reaches player's salaries the NRL clubs will be after some top Union players.
Also top Union player's agents will be seeking the best money deals for their clients.
New Zealand is an obvious source but we could see perhaps some South African union players going to the NRL.
Could well be that French Union will still be number one salary wise with perhaps the NRL pushing them close as number two for highly paid players.

#11 dhw

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:43 PM

If the top English players go to the NRL, This will lead to England beating the Australians on a regular basis and will increase the profile again here which will in turn bring more money in. So a short term dip in quality, which will hardly be noticed is a price worth paying for international success and an increased profile of the game.


By that logic New Zealand would be dominating the sport at international level and France would regularly be beating England/GB. England are actually further behind Australia than they were in 2003. If the better players go to the NRL they may improve but but the England coaching staff would have much less access to those players and would not be so well integrated into the England elite squad. In addition to that the Australian players would potentially be playing against those players on a weekly basis.

#12 markleeds

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:59 AM

Good luck to him, I feel that RL players should be on a minimum of £75,000 a year with 10% held back as a pension. In an ideal world it would be £100k minimum but there is just not that sort of money in the game, yet!

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:26 AM

By that logic New Zealand would be dominating the sport at international level...


They're the RLWC holders and won the Four Nations in 2010. They proved the Aussies are fallible. ;)
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#14 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:44 AM

By that logic New Zealand would be dominating the sport at international level

I don't get how you've come to that logic?
Surely from what he's saying, the logic would be that NZ can regularly compete and beat Australia, which they do. I don't understand how you can say they'd "dominate"?

and France would regularly be beating England/GB.

There aren't enough French players playing full time yet for that to happen.

England are actually further behind Australia than they were in 2003.

I think we're just as far away, personally.

If the better players go to the NRL they may improve but but the England coaching staff would have much less access to those players and would not be so well integrated into the England elite squad.

Unless there are enough English players in the NRL for the coaches to hold sessions down there?

In addition to that the Australian players would potentially be playing against those players on a weekly basis.

That works both ways. In fact, I'd say it's more an advantage to us that we're playing them on a regular basis as we're the ones that appear to be like rabbits caught in headlights, not them. This will prepare us better.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:51 AM

This as it stands at the moment.
I do think that when the new NRL TV money reaches player's salaries the NRL clubs will be after some top Union players.

Thinking about it, the NRL TV deal could also force Sky to improve their TV deal with SL as they may want to keep these stars in our game instead of letting them all go to union.

Also top Union player's agents will be seeking the best money deals for their clients.
New Zealand is an obvious source but we could see perhaps some South African union players going to the NRL.

Weird thought, but if all the NRL teams signed two South African union players each, we'd have a squad of 32 SARL players and a pretty competitive international side to add to the international calendar! Doubt you could tempt anywhere near that many, but just a thought...

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:02 AM

Are we as far away from Australia than in 2002 after the mid season thrashing? At that point many Aussies had or were about to give up on the international game. Luckily Wayne Bennett disagreed.

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#17 JohnM

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:55 AM

the England coaching staff would have much less access to those players


They hardly train together and play together very much as it is.

#18 RidingPie

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:02 AM

Thinking about it, the NRL TV deal could also force Sky to improve their TV deal with SL as they may want to keep these stars in our game instead of letting them all go to union.


It could also have the opposite effect! A devalued SL comp with most of the stars drained to the NRL or union would cost them less and probably still get similar viewing figures. Even if they did improve the sky deal as you suggest the smaller clubs who currently don't spend up to the full cap would block a move to increase the cap. The cap needs increasing and modifying. It HAS to be inflation linked at the very least. In real terms the cap has dropped since it was introduced by nearly a third.... and some clubs still can't pay up to it! If you were told that your maximum salary wouldn't increase with inflation over the next 10 years you'd be right to look for work elsewhere, where it would.

Personally I'd also put the 50% rule back on the cap (players wage have to make up no more than 50% of the clubs turn over wasn't it?) and raise the cap for the next few years a bit above inflation so we don't have a runaway effect and all clubs should be able to keep up given notice.

If the rumours about Hock going to the eels are true, I feel the player drain is really starting to hit super league. If the cap was designed to level the playing field, the only way the field would be levelled was if Hock/Charnley et al moved to another SL club.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:53 AM

A big problem RL has is that it can't attract large sponsors which in turn effects the revenue in the game as well as the image. The cap needs unceasing and should be more like £2.5m however there are influential people in the game (Gary Hetherington) who wants to reduce it maintain his profit share.

#20 RidingPie

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:05 AM

Mark I think we need to figure out better ways of marketing the game, especially as we come towards the end of the recession (OK we're more likely to stagnate for a while as an economy but hopefully we'll avoid any more contractions). That would hopefully stand us in good stead for when things start getting better and companies start spending again.




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