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[1976PMJwires]

Westwood 18 games - 1.22 penalties a game.

Hock 22 games - 1.09 penalties a game.

A per super league stats. So my point stands.

Fair do's

Didn't look at number of games played

[Father Ted]

Parramatta have all but signed Israel Falou from Aussie Rules and he will take up almost all of their available SC money.
He will be their priority signing to get fans through the gates and there may not be enough money to sign Gaz Hock.
Although, with their central funding going up by $2m this week it seems that an increase in the NRL salary cap could be on the cards.
If the Eels can only sign one of the two it won't be Gaz Hock.

[AndyCapp]

Parramatta have all but signed Israel Falou from Aussie Rules and he will take up almost all of their available SC money.
He will be their priority signing to get fans through the gates and there may not be enough money to sign Gaz Hock.
Although, with their central funding going up by $2m this week it seems that an increase in the NRL salary cap could be on the cards.
If the Eels can only sign one of the two it won't be Gaz Hock.

The Eels have had Hindmarsh and Burt retire and others move on, they should have some money.

I agree though, Folau will be a lot higher up their list than Hock.

[HP Beans]

Bad times ahead for Super League if/when the NRL raise their cap,all the best players will be heading for Oz IMO!

Making SL even weaker than it is now! On the plus side though it will strengthen our International team.

[guess who]

IMHO - Wigan have stood by Hock in the two years in the wilderness, comes back as a top performer week in week out and if he was to leave it leaves a massive gap to plug.

Who's good enough to lace his boots, Hocks assists will not be replaced over night, never mind the yardage he makes.

Wigan are not a one man team.
He will not be leaving them in the ######.

[giwildgo]

Wigan are not a one man team.
He will not be leaving them in the ######.

I agree, but Wigan are going to take a step back with or without Hock, the loss of Leuluai, Finch, Carmont, Lima and Fielden is a lot of experience and talent missing all at once. I'm excited about the prospect of seeing the new generation pushing through, but expectations will have to be lowered as I just don't see Smith and Green developing into an above average half back partnership.

[Blind side johnny]

I agree, but Wigan are going to take a step back with or without Hock, the loss of Leuluai, Finch, Carmont, Lima and Fielden is a lot of experience and talent missing all at once. I'm excited about the prospect of seeing the new generation pushing through, but expectations will have to be lowered as I just don't see Smith and Green developing into an above average half back partnership.

I reckon the whole of SL will take a step back within the next two seasons as the Aussie cash avalanche starts to be felt - no decent imports and a flood of emigrants from our game.

[1976PMJwires]

Wigan are not a one man team.
He will not be leaving them in the ######.

Where did I say you're a one man team???

No team is a one man club, I agree.

Opinions differ on leaving you in the poo..... After supporting him, educating him, he leaves a massive gap.

Is that not right?

Edited by 1976PMJwires, 03 November 2012 - 01:22 PM.

[barrowraiderskid]

Could Jack Hughes not be a replacement if necessary or is he not ready yet?

[1976PMJwires]

Could Jack Hughes not be a replacement if necessary or is he not ready yet?

Of course he could be used as a replacement, but he's nowhere near as explosive or as important as hock

Great player for the future, future full international. I right him highly ( doesn't matter what I think lol)

It's funny this thread, a wire giving compliements to a Wigan player and getting grief for my opinion, maybe I should say he's a waster, a druggie, a thug with the ability to lose his temper...... But no, he's better than all that he's one of England's best players and hock isn't easy to replace......

[giwildgo]

Of course he could be used as a replacement, but he's nowhere near as explosive or as important as hock

Great player for the future, future full international. I right him highly ( doesn't matter what I think lol)

It's funny this thread, a wire giving compliements to a Wigan player and getting grief for my opinion, maybe I should say he's a waster, a druggie, a thug with the ability to lose his temper...... But no, he's better than all that he's one of England's best players and hock isn't easy to replace......

Hock is a great player and difficult to replace in terms of attacking impact, but he also has a number of shortcomings in his game that don't help the team on occasions.

[barrowraiderskid]

Of course he could be used as a replacement, but he's nowhere near as explosive or as important as hock

Great player for the future, future full international. I right him highly ( doesn't matter what I think lol)

It's funny this thread, a wire giving compliements to a Wigan player and getting grief for my opinion, maybe I should say he's a waster, a druggie, a thug with the ability to lose his temper...... But no, he's better than all that he's one of England's best players and hock isn't easy to replace......

Hughes is deceivingly quick, he can accelerate very quickly. Obviously he doesn't have the power or offload that Hock has, but if he bulks up abit whilst keeping the pace I think Wigan could mould him into his replacement in the next year.

But if Wigan lost Hock, Finch, Carmont, Leuleuai and Lima I don't think they will be challenging next year unfortunately.

[1976PMJwires]

Hocks head is in oz

[Just Browny]

Hocks head is in oz

It might just be that he's not as good as you've been making out. He's always had a cheeky Hock-on in him.

[1976PMJwires]

It might just be that he's not as good as you've been making out. He's always had a cheeky Hock-on in him.

Everyone has an opinion..... I'd have hock in our team 100%

[giwildgo]

Hughes is deceivingly quick, he can accelerate very quickly. Obviously he doesn't have the power or offload that Hock has, but if he bulks up abit whilst keeping the pace I think Wigan could mould him into his replacement in the next year.

But if Wigan lost Hock, Finch, Carmont, Leuleuai and Lima I don't think they will be challenging next year unfortunately.

I don't think Hughes pace is deceiving at all, it's clearly an asset otherwise he wouldn't be filling in at centre. I personally don't think there is much between Hughes and where Hock was at in development terms at the same stage of his career. It also took Hock a very long time to reach his full potential even before the drugs ban. I'd rather have 5 - 10 years of Hughes and Farrell than losing one to keep the 3 - 4 years that Hock has left at the top. That's why I wouldn't be disappointed if Hock goes.

In terms of contending - Wigan will take a step back, but I'd still be surprised if we finished lower than 5th. If the worst Saints side I've seen in almost two decades can finish 3rd, we'll be fine.

[guess who]

Where did I say you're a one man team???

No team is a one man club, I agree.

Opinions differ on leaving you in the poo..... After supporting him, educating him, he leaves a massive gap.

Is that not right?

He is a sportsman. Who has a very short playing carrier. He owes them nothing as he risks permanent injury or even death every time he takes to the pitch.
If Wigan didn't want him there. Sentiment wouldn't come into to it. He would just be dropped.
If he wants to go to Aus then good luck to him.

[barrowraiderskid]

I don't think Hughes pace is deceiving at all, it's clearly an asset otherwise he wouldn't be filling in at centre. I personally don't think there is much between Hughes and where Hock was at in development terms at the same stage of his career. It also took Hock a very long time to reach his full potential even before the drugs ban. I'd rather have 5 - 10 years of Hughes and Farrell than losing one to keep the 3 - 4 years that Hock has left at the top. That's why I wouldn't be disappointed if Hock goes.

In terms of contending - Wigan will take a step back, but I'd still be surprised if we finished lower than 5th. If the worst Saints side I've seen in almost two decades can finish 3rd, we'll be fine.

I agree with what your saying that it won't be too dissapointing about losing hock. The reference to the pace was more from personal experience as during his time at barrow he didn't really seem to be anything but a tall second rower who made good yards but watching him in an SL game last season he broke the line and showed great pace which shocked me.

Last season you were the best team consistently, but next season I don't think you'll be able to mantain that level next year and stay at the top when you compare your squad to wire. I doubr you'll finish lower than 3rd unless Leeds decide to try during the majoroty of the season.

[shrek]

Is it a given he'll be given a visa after his ban? Or do such things not get considered and/or effect the process?

[1976PMJwires]

He is a sportsman. Who has a very short playing carrier. He owes them nothing as he risks permanent injury or even death every time he takes to the pitch.
If Wigan didn't want him there. Sentiment wouldn't come into to it. He would just be dropped.
If he wants to go to Aus then good luck to him.

So Wigan ain't in the poo he's shitt on them. How many clubs would support a druggie!!