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#161 Severus

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:18 PM

Phil i fully agree with you.
But can you please explain, why you were riding/driving so close to parked cars?

You keep coming back to this point. IMO it is irrelevant, it is the responsibly of the person who is going to exit a vehicle/cross the road to make sure that the way is clear.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:25 PM

I don't cycle anymore, haven't done for 15 years now. In the past I've been pulled by the police for riding in the middle of the carriageway "Too far out" said plod. when I pointed out the potholes and grate grids close in to the side and asked him how I was meant to avoid them he shrugged. I pointed out that I was legally riding along the carriageway and got the standard plod response "so you think you know more about the law than me?" (well yes actually, your average plod's knowledge of the law is sketchy at best, but thats another thread in waiting)
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#163 gazza77

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:26 PM

You keep coming back to this point. IMO it is irrelevant, it is the responsibly of the person who is going to exit a vehicle/cross the road to make sure that the way is clear.


You're quite right it is. Motorcyclists however are taught defencive riding techniques however: expect the unexpected. Riding further away from parked cars where possible may be prudent, despite the responsibility for opening the door remaining with the driver or passenger in question.

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#164 Severus

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:27 PM

You're quite right it is. Motorcyclists however are taught defencive riding techniques however: expect the unexpected. Riding further away from parked cars where possible may be prudent, despite the responsibility for opening the door remaining with the driver or passenger in question.

Agreed, but it isn't always possible and car drivers seem to moan about cyclists who do this.
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#165 gazza77

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:32 PM

Agreed, but it isn't always possible and car drivers seem to moan about cyclists who do this.


Accepted, it isn't always possible, and I'd classify holding up other road users as not being possible. Moving over on a narrow road where nothing is coming towards me and nothing is behind me however I'd say was personally reasonable. Extra care therefore is required when it isn't possible to keep clear of potential opening doors.

I do use two wheels, however the two wheels I use has 130bhp. First thing I always do when getting on is to remind myself that everyone else is out to try to knock me off. Factually, that's obviously cobblers, however I find it a useful mindset to have.

Edited by gazza77, 18 December 2012 - 01:33 PM.

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#166 JohnM

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:01 PM

I do use two wheels, however the two wheels I use has 130bhp. First thing I always do when getting on is to remind myself that everyone else is out to try to knock me off. Factually, that's obviously cobblers, however I find it a useful mindset to have.


Me too. PanEuropean and IAM Associate. Its rammed into us. Generally drivers show respect, more than they do to cyclists.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

You keep coming back to this point. IMO it is irrelevant, it is the responsibly of the person who is going to exit a vehicle/cross the road to make sure that the way is clear.


Your dam right i do.

Its al-right saying a car/van/bus/wagon must do this or the other.

People make mistakes......we all make mistakes. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Cyclists are among the most vulnerable of road users.
I am guessing here, but i would say about 99% of them have taken no training before riding on a road.
Very few wear any type of protective clothing or helmet.

If they ride in a way that puts them into extreme danger questions have to be asked.

But lets just blame everyone and not look at the bigger picture.

#168 gingerjon

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:58 PM

Me too. PanEuropean and IAM Associate. Its rammed into us. Generally drivers show respect, more than they do to cyclists.


If you want to see the British mindset in action compare how motorists go round a horse as against how they go round other road users.
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#169 gingerjon

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:59 PM

People make mistakes


Reducing the visibility of your windows to 17% and then not looking before opening your door into traffic is not 'making a mistake'.

Driving so close to the cyclist ahead that you can't brake in time when they are hit by a door is not 'making a mistake'.
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#170 JohnM

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:08 PM

Me too. PanEuropean and IAM Associate. Its rammed into us. Generally drivers show respect, more than they do to cyclists.


I meant that when motorists are actually alert and observant, they do show some respect to motorcyclists

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:09 PM

If you want to see the British mindset in action compare how motorists go round a horse as against how they go round other road users.


cos they are afraid the horse will do more damage.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:18 PM

cos they are afraid the horse will do more damage.


My wife and daughter are both horse riders, my wife, who worked as a professional driver for years and is an IAM member is continually amazed at what she calls the "######wittery" of motorists near horses
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:21 PM

My wife and daughter are both horse riders, my wife, who worked as a professional driver for years and is an IAM member is continually amazed at what she calls the "######wittery" of motorists near horses


I'll bow to her judgement given that she'll clearly have more direct experience than me. What I had observed though is a near-universal slowing down and giving space in a way that simply doen't happen for anybody else.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:23 PM

Reducing the visibility of your windows to 17% and then not looking before opening your door into traffic is not 'making a mistake'.

Driving so close to the cyclist ahead that you can't brake in time when they are hit by a door is not 'making a mistake'.


I really wish i lived in this perfect world you live in.

#175 gingerjon

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

I really wish i lived in this perfect world you live in.


It's not perfect at all.

But admitting that a significant number of people on the roads regularly drive without the care and attention required - and that these actions kill and they then often go unpunished - is hardly a hard position to defend.

There are some traffic lights on roadworks outside my house today. In a five minute spell I've seen 9 cars go through on red. Two of those people were on the phone.
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#176 Phil

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:32 PM

I'll bow to her judgement given that she'll clearly have more direct experience than me. What I had observed though is a near-universal slowing down and giving space in a way that simply doen't happen for anybody else.


she will admit herself that the small percentage of idiots create a lasting impression which far outweighs that of the careful and courteous majority but she does say that far too often she gets cars going too fast/near the horses and even approaching from behind and hitting their horn which must be a special order of ######wittery.
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#177 JohnM

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:32 PM

Cyclists are among the most vulnerable of road users
I think you may have hit on something there! I am sure you teach this to your charges but it would be great if all motorists were to realise this and behave accordingly.

I am guessing here, but i would say about 99% of them have taken no training before riding on a road.
maybe this will help:
In 2009, three years ago, Cycle England, the organisation that will run the government scheme, quoted 51% of mothers as saying they had done cycling proficiency as a child. However, just 25% of children now receive formal training

I learned through the Cycling Proficiency Test. What did you do?

To be honest, given the huge amount of time, effort and money that goes into training drivers and the effectiveness of such training on the accident statistics, , I don't see the logic in training cyclists.

By the way, you opposed my suggestion to train all drivers how to cycle but now you want everyone else to learn.

Very few wear any type of protective clothing or helmet.
Why should they? Why don't car drivers try not killing cyclists?
Even fewer drivers wear protective clothing or helmets despite the fact that over 25,000 of them suffer serious injuries each year

If they ride in a way that puts them into extreme danger questions have to be asked.
Given the state of our roads and the appalling level of driving, your best option would be to ban cycling.

But lets just blame everyone and not look at the bigger picture.
I'm certainly not blaming everyone. I'm blaming those motorists that kill and injure cyclists



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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:36 PM

she will admit herself that the small percentage of idiots create a lasting impression which far outweighs that of the careful and courteous majority but she does say that far too often she gets cars going too fast/near the horses and even approaching from behind and hitting their horn which must be a special order of ######wittery.


Appalling. Round here, there are not many horses, but those that there are are generally given a wide berth and I do thing that is because drivers are concerned about a horse/car collision. Again, I am sure GuesssWho teaches his charges how to drive when there are horses about.

#179 gazza77

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:04 PM

the "######wittery" of motorists


That's the key point in a nutshell to me, although not just limiting it to motorists; cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders can be as bad. In many, if not most cases such as those mentioned in this thread, this is what has caused the incident.

What would help the innocent road users that have to suffer such road users however would be to always assume that everyone else out there is a ######wit and ride/cycle/walk/drive accordingly. That way they stand the best chance possible of avoiding an incident of someone elses making.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:00 PM

I was behind a car yesterday morning west of Hull, national speed limit road, we were coming up to a cyclist on the left with double white lines down the middle of a narrow road. A car was coming the other way just at the time the driver in front reached the cyclist. He didn't even bother braking, overtook the cyclist whilst remaining the correct side of the double white lines, missing the cyclist by about 18 inches. It seemed it was more important to him to observe the road markings than risk wiping out the cyclist.

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