Jump to content


Rugby League World Issue 400 - Out Now!

RUGBY LEAGUE WORLD MAGAZINE - ISSUE 400 - OUT NOW!
84 pages, 38 years of history from Open Rugby to the present day.
Click here for the digital edition to read online via smartphone, tablet and desktop devices including iPhone, iPad, Android & Kindle HD.
Click here to order a copy for delivery by post. Annual subscriptions also available worldwide.
Find out what's inside Issue 400
/ View a Gallery of all 400 covers / WH Smith Branches stocking Issue 400
Read Jamie Jones-Buchanan's Top 5 RLW Interviews including Marwan Koukash, Lee Briers, Gareth Thomas, Steve Ganson & Matt King OBE


League Express

Podcast

Photo
- - - - -

Warning: Potential Bradford Good News Story


  • Please log in to reply
205 replies to this topic

#61 Johnoco

Johnoco
  • Coach
  • 19,624 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

I don't care how much money they're providing for this deal, it's absolutely shameful that a loan shark company that preys on the most financially vulnerable of society is allowed to sponsor any part of our game.

That their sponsorship should be held up as ground breaking and lauded as something good is perverse IMO.

They are parasites in the same mould as Wonga and I find it ironic that the people running our game see Betfair as an unsuitable partner yet welcome an unscrupulous organisation that's profiteering from people's financial difficulties.

I'm ashamed that this has been allowed.

Why have you cut and pasted this from the other thread?

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

No cause for so much hatred, I'm just a different man

Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

With music deep inside we'll make world unity our plan

 

7 Seconds -Walk Together, Rock Together


#62 The Parksider

The Parksider
  • Coach
  • 16,861 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:13 PM

Ah yes, the very same RBS which pulled the Bulls' overdraft and precipitated the whole administration crisis. Although it would probably have happened sometime anyway.

You know, I came on here thinking the Bulls had signed a brilliant sponsorship deal, only to find instead that the club has sold its soul to the devil. There's enough ignorance, arrogance and hypocrisy on this thread to fill a Stephen Jones aricle.

So, about Provident. I'll declare an interest up front. When my Dad was demobbed in 1945 he went to work for Provident, and stayed there for over thirty years, so as a child my entire livelihood depended on that company. I even worked for them myself for a couple of years in the early seventies. As kids we used to enjoy the Christmas party the firm paid for, and my Dad enjoyed the annual staff trip to London they also paid for. Up in my spare bedroom there's a Wedgewood table lighter, suitably engraved, which staff were given to celebrate the Coronation in 1953. It was a family company (the Waddilove family) until flotation about fifty years ago.

Provident was founded in Bradford in 1880. That's 132 years of business. It's not an opportunistic web-based payday loan outfit. It operates on a very old-fashioned business model, a national network of agents dealing directly with customers, a personal relationship which many people still prefer and trust. Its market is the lower paid, those in insecure employment, those in rented accommodation. Those, in fact, which the High Street banks are not interested in, but who nevertheless sometimes need or want to borrow money, relatively small amounts on a short-term basis, and who want to pay weekly. I suspect its customer demographic will not be too dissimilar to that of the sport of Rugby League. Because it's relatively high risk lending, and operates on a labour intensive basis, its interest charges are high. Having said that they are nowhere near the rates charged by the payday lenders. The best known of the payday lenders is Wonga.com, founded by a right wing nutjob whose crazed ideas on employment rights are currently finding favour with the Tories in government.

I also have to say that, whilst Provident have had the occasional controversy in their lengthy history, one thing they haven't done is bring the economy of the Western hemisphere to its knees by casino-style lending, neither does it pay its executives telephone number bonuses after being bailed out by the taxpayer. It operates in a highly regulated industry and complies with the Consumer Credit Act, The Financial Services Act, the Data Protection Act etc.

If all that sounds like a puff piece then I apologise. I just felt a few people needed to be set straight. And after writing it, I'm still very happy about the sponsorship deal.


Your posts content has no place at all on this thread or this forum..... Pleeeeeeease......

Having said that it was a cracking piece :D

Edited by The Parksider, 10 November 2012 - 08:14 PM.


#63 OMEGA

OMEGA
  • Coach
  • 1,201 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:13 PM

Stan, you are needed on the new strip thread. Someone called Omega is blowing a gasket.


You just don't like it because it's Bradford involved, I don't like it because it's WRONG!

#64 Johnoco

Johnoco
  • Coach
  • 19,624 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:20 PM

You just don't like it because it's Bradford involved, I don't like it because it's WRONG!


No, you are clearly hysterical. Go and sit down and calm down. Provident are not loan sharks like you claim, but if they were not there many of these people you are so concerned about would actually be going to a real loan shark.

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

No cause for so much hatred, I'm just a different man

Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

With music deep inside we'll make world unity our plan

 

7 Seconds -Walk Together, Rock Together


#65 The Parksider

The Parksider
  • Coach
  • 16,861 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:20 PM

................welcome an unscrupulous organisation that's profiteering from people's financial difficulties.


There's a religion that does not allow any form of lending for profit, and a laudable and humane stance it is....

The view is they are all as bad no matter what degree.

But AOB please.......

#66 OMEGA

OMEGA
  • Coach
  • 1,201 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:21 PM

Why have you cut and pasted this from the other thread?


Because I can and because it's relevant to both.

#67 Johnoco

Johnoco
  • Coach
  • 19,624 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:23 PM

Because I can and because it's relevant to both.

Even though its hysterical nonsense?

Face it, you don't really care about punters getting into financial strife, you just hate Bradford. That's cool, I am not remotely interested in what you think.

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

No cause for so much hatred, I'm just a different man

Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

With music deep inside we'll make world unity our plan

 

7 Seconds -Walk Together, Rock Together


#68 OMEGA

OMEGA
  • Coach
  • 1,201 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:25 PM

No, you are clearly hysterical. Go and sit down and calm down. Provident are not loan sharks like you claim, but if they were not there many of these people you are so concerned about would actually be going to a real loan shark.


No hysterics here fella, and despite you're attempts to paint anyone who disagrees with this shameful deal as ignorant or deluded, I'll hold to my principles and call it for what it is, a disgrace for Rugby League.

#69 OMEGA

OMEGA
  • Coach
  • 1,201 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

Even though its hysterical nonsense?

Face it, you don't really care about punters getting into financial strife, you just hate Bradford. That's cool, I am not remotely interested in what you think.


Paranoid!

But keep defending the indefensible and kidding yourself that people only object because they have a grudge against Bradford.


#70 Johnoco

Johnoco
  • Coach
  • 19,624 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:30 PM

No hysterics here fella, and despite you're attempts to paint anyone who disagrees with this shameful deal as ignorant or deluded, I'll hold to my principles and call it for what it is, a disgrace for Rugby League.


As I say, hysterical. Not only that, plain wrong.

People can object, I would possibly prefer a different sponsor but since RL is not overrun with people throwing money at it, we have to get what we can. does Andrew Glover charge no interest on his products? Does he give them away? or does he sell them for more than it costs to make them?

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

No cause for so much hatred, I'm just a different man

Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

With music deep inside we'll make world unity our plan

 

7 Seconds -Walk Together, Rock Together


#71 Johnoco

Johnoco
  • Coach
  • 19,624 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:31 PM

Paranoid!

But keep defending the indefensible and kidding yourself that people only object because they have a grudge against Bradford.


I think you'll find you are in the minority here chief, Bradford fans or not. Wait and see eh?

In your case, it is about Bradford

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

No cause for so much hatred, I'm just a different man

Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

With music deep inside we'll make world unity our plan

 

7 Seconds -Walk Together, Rock Together


#72 Stan Doffarf

Stan Doffarf
  • Coach
  • 963 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:40 PM

I don't care how much money they're providing for this deal, it's absolutely shameful that a loan shark company that preys on the most financially vulnerable of society is allowed to sponsor any part of our game.

That their sponsorship should be held up as ground breaking and lauded as something good is perverse IMO.

They are parasites in the same mould as Wonga and I find it ironic that the people running our game see Betfair as an unsuitable partner yet welcome an unscrupulous organisation that's profiteering from people's financial difficulties.

I'm ashamed that this has been allowed.


Read my post above. You're talking total excrement.
And when they found our shadows
Grouped around the TV sets
They ran down every lead
They repeated every test
They checked out all the data on their lists
And then the alien anthropologists
Admitted they were still perplexed
But on eliminating every other reason
For our sad demise
They logged the only explanation left
This species has amused itself to death
No tears to cry no feelings left
This species has amused itself to death

#73 OMEGA

OMEGA
  • Coach
  • 1,201 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:43 PM

As I say, hysterical. Not only that, plain wrong.

People can object, I would possibly prefer a different sponsor but since RL is not overrun with people throwing money at it, we have to get what we can. does Andrew Glover charge no interest on his products? Does he give them away? or does he sell them for more than it costs to make them?


Wrong? it's my opinion of a Rugby League club taking money from a company that preys on the vulnerable. There's plenty of evidence that they're an organisation which has reshaped itself in order to fleece the most vulnerable of our society. Who are you to pronounce that opinion as wrong!

Commerce is all about profit so using responsible businesses to illustrate your argument is just pathetic! Next you'll be telling us that war time profiteering was OK because the victims of it had a choice to work as slaves or die.

#74 l'angelo mysterioso

l'angelo mysterioso
  • Coach
  • 40,141 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:43 PM

I don't care how much money they're providing for this deal, it's absolutely shameful that a loan shark company that preys on the most financially vulnerable of society is allowed to sponsor any part of our game.

That their sponsorship should be held up as ground breaking and lauded as something good is perverse IMO.

They are parasites in the same mould as Wonga and I find it ironic that the people running our game see Betfair as an unsuitable partner yet welcome an unscrupulous organisation that's profiteering from people's financial difficulties.

I'm ashamed that this has been allowed.


what are your thoughts on clubs being sponsored by Probiz? For some reason the guardians of thre sports's morals don't seem to have much to say about it.
WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015
Keeping it local

#75 OMEGA

OMEGA
  • Coach
  • 1,201 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:44 PM

I think you'll find you are in the minority here chief, Bradford fans or not. Wait and see eh?
In your case, it is about Bradford


Utter rubbish on both counts

#76 l'angelo mysterioso

l'angelo mysterioso
  • Coach
  • 40,141 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

Paranoid!

But keep defending the indefensible and kidding yourself that people only object because they have a grudge against Bradford.


weren't Hull FC sponsored by shopacheck for a considerable period?
WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015
Keeping it local

#77 Johnoco

Johnoco
  • Coach
  • 19,624 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:46 PM

Utter rubbish on both counts

We'll see then won't we?

In the meantime, try not to have a coronary.

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

No cause for so much hatred, I'm just a different man

Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

With music deep inside we'll make world unity our plan

 

7 Seconds -Walk Together, Rock Together


#78 OMEGA

OMEGA
  • Coach
  • 1,201 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:46 PM

Read my post above. You're talking total excrement.


No I'm not!

Read my post on the other thread, your waxing poetical about a company that, for all intents and purposes, ceased to trade and reinvented itself as loan sharks.

#79 OMEGA

OMEGA
  • Coach
  • 1,201 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

what are your thoughts on clubs being sponsored by Probiz? For some reason the guardians of thre sports's morals don't seem to have much to say about it.


Don't know enough about Probiz to hold a valid opinion on their activities

#80 OMEGA

OMEGA
  • Coach
  • 1,201 posts

Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:50 PM

weren't Hull FC sponsored by shopacheck for a considerable period?


As I said in another post, we were once sponsored by tobacco and alcohol companies but we've moved on from that, it's only a matter of time before this legalised extortion industry goes the same way.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users