205 replies to this topic

[OMEGA]

We'll see then won't we?

In the meantime, try not to have a coronary.

We will!

Thanks, good luck next season.

[Johnoco]

As I said in another post, we were once sponsored by tobacco and alcohol companies but we've moved on from that, it's only a matter of time before this legalised extortion industry goes the same way.

Nonetheless, as a upright citizen you were leading the calls for a boycott because it was still wrong even then.

Challenge cup sponsored by cig companies for so long? Thousands of deaths from smoking...was that ok? Its not like we were unaware of the dangers.
Selective hypocrisy at its best.

[OMEGA]

Nonetheless, as a upright citizen you were leading the calls for a boycott because it was still wrong even then.

Challenge cup sponsored by cig companies for so long? Thousands of deaths from smoking...was that ok? Its not like we were unaware of the dangers.
Selective hypocrisy at its best.

Don't know about you but I was too young to have such formed opinions back then, however that was wrong then and this is wrong now!

[Johnoco]

Don't know about you but I was too young to have such formed opinions back then, however that was wrong then and this is wrong now!

I knew cigs were bad for you from a very young age. Early 70's

[l'angelo mysterioso]

Don't know enough about Probiz to hold a valid opinion on their activities

they specialise in tax avoidance for the wealthy

[Stan Doffarf]

Don't know enough about Probiz to hold a valid opinion on their activities

You also know next to nothing about Provident, but that isn't stopping you.

[OMEGA]

You also know next to nothing about Provident, but that isn't stopping you.

In your opinion!

You can spout on all you like about the old days but it doesn't change the fact that today's Provident are in the loan shark exploitation of the vulnerable industry.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

In your opinion!

You can spout on all you like about the old days but it doesn't change the fact that today's Provident are in the loan shark exploitation of the vulnerable industry.

http://www.peterjarm.../probiz_tax.php

here's an example
hth

[The Parksider]

You can spout on all you like about the old days but it doesn't change the fact that today's Provident are in the loan shark exploitation of the vulnerable industry.

Yes, but can you finalise your position which is one where the game must reject dodgy business practices on moral grounds and take a financial hit that could damage the game???

I am sure you will be kind enough to conclude as such.

If so let me refer you to the double glazing industry in which my own experience was a desire to double glaze several windows in my own house at the rear of the property.

I was quoted £8,000 for the work by the kind salesman, but on my doubts about the fairness of the quote he ended up knocking 50% off as long as I signed there and then.

I did not do so as I was annoyed at being taken for a mug and effectively being scammed for £4,000.

The salesman did not leave but browbeat us until I had to leave my own house to do some gardening, leaving my wife to deal with him as i had got to the point of wanting to break the law.

He eventually left, but I felt his company and his approach were greedy, immoral and predatory.

I do hope any club in the Rugby League wholeheartedly rejects support from industries as disgusting as this.

[OMEGA]

Yes, but can you finalise your position which is one where the game must reject dodgy business practices on moral grounds and take a financial hit that could damage the game???

I am sure you will be kind enough to conclude as such.

If so let me refer you to the double glazing industry in which my own experience was a desire to double glaze several windows in my own house at the rear of the property.

I was quoted £8,000 for the work by the kind salesman, but on my doubts about the fairness of the quote he ended up knocking 50% off as long as I signed there and then.

I did not do so as I was annoyed at being taken for a mug and effectively being scammed for £4,000.

The salesman did not leave but browbeat us until I had to leave my own house to do some gardening, leaving my wife to deal with him as i had got to the point of wanting to break the law.

He eventually left, but I felt his company and his approach were greedy, immoral and predatory.

I do hope any club in the Rugby League wholeheartedly rejects support from industries as disgusting as this.

The main difference being that while the double glazing industry has its rogue traders (as do almost all industries) the doorstep loan industry is entirely immoral, predatory and parasitic

[Johnoco]

The main difference being that while the double glazing industry has its rogue traders (as do almost all industries) the doorstep loan industry is entirely immoral, predatory and parasitic

You seem convinced Provident are actually loan sharks. I think you need to get out and discover what goes on with actual, real loan sharks.

Everyone pays through the nose for a mortgage, and its less clear. Would you be having such a fit if the deal was with Barclays or tax dodgers like Starbucks or Boots?

[OMEGA]

I give up they're the epitome of morality, their virtuous crusade to help the poor is unmatched in all history Not

http://www.guardian....poor?CMP=twt_gu

BBCs Panorama investigation into the dodgy doorstep tactics of Provident
http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-19748048

http://blogs.mirror....ether-pa-3.html

http://www.dailymail...izophrenic.html

http://www.independe...ry-2192460.html

http://blogs.mirror....nds-two-th.html

http://www.thesun.co...rate-Brits.html

http://www.independe...al-2344756.html

http://www.huffingto..._n_1928010.html

http://www.canyoutru...t=yes&offsetf=0

http://www.guardian....-rise-barnardos

[Johnoco]

Every industry and organisation has its rogue elements, you said so earlier. How many pensioners have been co-erced into getting conservatories they didn't want or need by sales people?

This looks like obsession to me. Help may be available.

[OMEGA]

I made one simple statement fella, you dragged it into another thread not me

[Johnoco]

Posting 11 links is not simply objecting to a sponsorship deal.

[OMEGA]

No it isn't, it's making my case in the subsequent debate with you

[The Parksider]

The main difference being that while the double glazing industry has its rogue traders (as do almost all industries) the doorstep loan industry is entirely immoral, predatory and parasitic

Well I have to respect your opinion on this. But I would not want Bradford to pass this money up.

[l'angelo mysterioso]

I give up they're the epitome of morality, their virtuous crusade to help the poor is unmatched in all history Not

http://www.guardian....poor?CMP=twt_gu

BBCs Panorama investigation into the dodgy doorstep tactics of Provident
http://www.bbc.co.uk...siness-19748048

http://blogs.mirror....ether-pa-3.html

http://www.dailymail...izophrenic.html

http://www.independe...ry-2192460.html

http://blogs.mirror....nds-two-th.html

http://www.thesun.co...rate-Brits.html

http://www.independe...al-2344756.html

http://www.huffingto..._n_1928010.html

http://www.canyoutru...t=yes&offsetf=0

http://www.guardian....-rise-barnardos

yuour moral zeal is to be admired. Still no thoughts on companies like probiz(see link) who specialise in tax avoidance for ther wealthy.

[OMEGA]

yuour moral zeal is to be admired. Still no thoughts on companies like probiz(see link) who specialise in tax avoidance for ther wealthy.

As I said I don't know enough about Probiz to have a solid opinion, however from the link you provided I have to say that my initial thoughts are that I don't like what they do. The main difference seems to be that loan sharks directly target the vulnerable and exploit them, there's no complicated system in place, it's an industry as old as prostitution. Tax avoidance might have some negative impact down the line which is why I don't like it, but while no one seems to want to help the victims of loan sharks the Gov't will no doubt use HMRC to close any loopholes that exist and allow Probiz et al to do what they do.

What do you think?

[Johnoco]

Again, why don't you find out the difference between a loan shark and a company with high interest repayments?

I don't think provident are waiting at the school gates with dogs as some genuine loan sharks have been doing in Bradford lately.

I share your distaste for the industry, seriously, but you are being way way OTT here.

And tax avoidance is no minor issue, it costs the country hundreds of millions. Good of you to brush it aside so easily.